Who Will Win the War Between Trump & The Neocons?


Eric Zuesse

The first big battle of the Trump transition into the White House is occurring over the fundamental issue that had caused the Establishment to repudiate Donald Trump: Which war will America prioritize — the one against jihadists, or the one against Russia (and also against any nation’s leadership — including the leaders of Iran — that is friendly toward Russia)?

A domestic underground war has thus long been raging between Trump and the neoconservatives (the people who want to resume the Cold War as being now a hot war against Russia by overthrowing all governments — e.g., Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, Viktor Yanukovych, Bashar al-Assad — favorable toward Russia). It has been raging ever since Trump made clear early this year that he wanted to stop Obama’s war in Syria against Assad and Putin, and start a real war against all of the many jihadist groups that are trying to overthrow the secular Assad, and to eliminate jihadists in every country except the ones that are supporting them, which then would constitute state sponsors of jihadism and thus enemies of the United States. This is a war about war.

This war is right now coming to a head with the breaking-off, on Tuesday November 15th, of Trump’s conciliatory efforts to win the cooperation of the neocons, which group includes virtually the entire Republican Party foreign-affairs Establishment, both military and diplomatic, plus most of the Democratic Party’s foreign-affairs Establishment. These two ‘Establishments’ are actually two teams of one Establishment, and they are, now, after four successive neoconservative U.S. Presidents (Bush I & II, Clinton, and Obama), almost entirely neoconservatives, especially on the Republican side (the Bush side).

Neoconservatism started in earnest on 24 February 1990 when U.S. President George Herbert Walker Bush told his agents that though the Cold War was then ending on the Russian side, it wasn’t really going to end on the American side, even though they had all promised to the then-Soviet and future Russian President Mikhail Gorbachev, that it would. The next President, Bill Clinton, followed through and expanded NATO, and his successors G.W. Bush and Barack Obama, expanded it even more and so we now surround russia with our missiles. We have also overthrown Moscow’s friends and allies — Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, and Viktor Yanukovych, and are still trying to do that in Syria — in order to weaken Russia still further, to go in then for the kill.

If Trump crosses Party lines in order to bring in the small segment of Democratic Party foreign-affairs Establishment who are not neocons, then he’ll face strong opposition from Republicans in the Senate and House, against passing significant portions of his Defense and State Department initiatives. His Presidency will then be crippled by the refusal of the Washington Establishment (the neocons) to provide the essential information and cooperation in order for the Trump Administration to have any major success in the realms of foreign affairs. The Establishment have lots of essential information and foreign-government contacts without which things cannot be done in international relations. Trump’s Presidency would then be stillborn.

The man who had organized the neoconservative revolt against Trump’s candidacy, and who recently but briefly held out an olive branch to assist the Trump team to select people to run U.S. international relations, Eliot A. Cohen, tweeted on November 15th, “After exchange w Trump team, changed my recommendation: stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming ‘you LOST!’ Will be ugly.”

That’s all-out war: the neocons’ effort to sabotage Trump’s Presidency.

Another leading neocon, Daniel W. Dreznertweeted later the same day, “Btw, the scariest sentence in that tweet is ‘Flynn and Kushner are now controlling who gets basic posts.’”

That’s referring to retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, whom Obama fired as Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency because Flynn opposed Obama’s prioritizing the anti-Russia war above the anti-jihad war: Flynn favored our working with Assad instead of against all of the jihadists not only ISIS (like Obama demanded).

And that’s also Jared Kushner, Trump’s anti-Palestinian and anti-Iranian Zionist Jewish son-in-law, who is just now learning that all the terrorism that’s been perpetrated against the United States and Europe comes almost 100% not from them (the anti-Zionists), but instead from Iran’s self-declared “existential” enemy, the Saud family who own Saudi Arabia and who have been deeply allied with the U.S. Establishment, or aristocracy, especially America’s billionaires, ever since World War II ended, and who still remain determined to, with U.S. help, conquer Russia, which (even above Iran) is their major competitor in the oil-and-gas markets. Here is what the Trump team don’t know. And, above all, they don’t know that the royal family who own Saudi Arabia were the main financial backers of Al Qaeda and of 9/11. The U.S. government is in the ‘uncomfortable’ position of being allied with the enemies of not only the American public but of every nation that’s not run by fundamentalist Sunnis and Sharia law. We arm them. We defend them. And, on occasion, we get blown up by them.

Trump and his family had better be able to be quick learners of reality and discarders of myths, because in the short time they’ve got left to start running the U.S. government, there’s a lot of U.S. propaganda they’ll have to unlearn, and a lot of hidden history they’ll need to learn to replace it.

They say they want to clean the swamp in Washington, but the swamp includes thousands of people who are refusing to help inform and train their own replacements. The neocons ever since George W. Bush (and here are 450 of the most prominent of them on just the Republican side) have had a virtual monopoly over U.S. foreign policy, and don’t want to relinquish it.


Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of  They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of  CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity.

  • Lawn Dart

    Wow! Welcome to cloud cuckoo land. If I play a game of chess against myself, I wonder who will win? No more kool-aid for Eric Zuesse. .. he’s had enough.

  • Sparkplugfuse

    In a nation of 330 million people, neocons and warmongers are not needed. There is more than one way to peel an apple.

  • mannymoe

    The ‘Neocons’ are implicated in 911…Saudi’s funded 911 and provided Saudi patsies, Israel (see Corbett Report on ‘Dancing Israeli’s, Mossad) implemented the attack and demolition of three towers and the U.S. Government with C.I. A., and F.B.I. leaders lead the attack with Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld leading the standdown of our defense mechanisms….Giuliani was implicated as well, sending Fire fighters to their death as he fled to the recently completed FEMA emergency center, leaving the New York
    command center (see Barry Jennings testimony), running as Firefighters and first responders were murdered along with thousands of Citisens in the towers. Also, see New York firefighter interview with Rudy Dent by LiAnn McAdoo on you tube. You cannot make this up!

    • Lawn Dart

      So, who do you think will be SecState? Bolton or Rudy? I’m going with Rudy because that gives the kool-aid drinkers a sigh of relief. High fives all around! Trump wasn’t fooled by Bolton because he’s one of us! Boy, Israel sure gets it now!

  • I don’t know if the author, who seems to be a smart guy, is deliberately gatekeeping for Zionist Organized Jewry but the neocon movement WAS JEWISH AND ZIONIST IN ORIGIN AND PURPOSE. Bush Sr. was NOT a ‘neocon’ and not every militarist is a ‘neocon’.

    This article is scholarly/historical, I sent it to Mike Rivero in the past and he never posts though he links to complete nonsense at times:


    It is long but excellent. It is not anti-Semitic or unfair, it simply shows what people are too vowed to say: neoconservatives are mostly Israel Firster Zionist Jews.

    Say it, and stop putting all militarism under the label.

    And Zuesse DEFINITELY is obfuscating the heavy Israeli role in 9/11. The Saudis ‘funded’ it? Right, they are to be the fall guy, but it wasn’t ‘DANCING Saudis’ and Saudi spies arrested on 9/11 – it was Israeli Jews.

    Who benefitted? Israel and Likud and their spies and sayanim.

    Like Lucky Larry.


    Beware those who mention the Saudis but leave out the Israelis (and US DEEP STATE/NORAD/joint chiefs) as to 9/11. It is disinfo.

    • Lawn Dart

      Small world, I guess as I was linked here from Mike. I like Mike. I certainly can’t speak for him. I can read his links and comments and draw conclusions.

      Again this is my opinion but he still seems to be busy celebrating victory. After a decade or so of ignoring the world news, this Charlie foxtrot of an election sucked me back in.

      I couldn’t help but notice that today he linked to a ‘thehill’ article about Senate opposition to Trump’s picks (complete with snarky comment) AND to an article here on Rinf about Paul’s opposition to Trump’s picks (also by Zuesse). As it turns out , I also sent him a couple of emails lately after a hiatus of 12 years or so.

      No response or result that I can see so far. If I’m a liberal pinko commie traitor troll funded by Soros then I hope I get the check soon. I could go for a six pack of decent beer.

      When the bombs start falling on Iran will the Trump’s chumps wake up?

      • KilltheBank

        You didnt have to waste all that time writing that screed, you could have just said “Im a rambling moron, have a nice day” and been done with it much sooner.

    • Lawn Dart


      This just in. Mike is going to the dark side. A recent link:

      America cannot HEAL until we stop the left wing media HATE
      From Natural News.

      Straight to the chase, pure NAZI. I hope no one takes my word for it. Read and decide for yourselves

      Contrarian bastich that I am, I had to respond.

      Lawn Dart
      a minute ago
      Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by Natural News.
      Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances

      It wasn’t approved. I guess I forgot to say “Simon/Trump says”

      I have to be a traitor. I read the Constitution.

      I guess the alt-right forgot that the memory hole is out of order.

      • KilltheBank

        Anyone who calls people who disagree with them nazis, is literally hitler.

        • Lawn Dart

          I called them Nazi because of the Nazi idea they promote. Disagreement with me is not unusual.

          I assume you read the article or am I being silly?

          “How we can legally stop the left wing HATE machines from destroying America

          Radio host Michael Savage said it best when he suggested that seditious members of the left wing media which are engaged in the deliberate destruction of America be investigated and prosecuted by the House Un-American Activities Committee.”

          What do you call it?

          • KilltheBank

            I call it an investigation of a ss holes who collude against their countrymen for money and influence. Your comparison is as idiotic as the Swedes handing out drivers licenses and welfare to returning isis fighters. You know-so they dont get called racist by tossers like you. Way to stay on point. Your true face is on display at any number of soros financed riots. I can see why youd be afraid that the gloves moght come of when dealing with your seditious malignance.

          • Lawn Dart

            That made it clear .

            Thanks Herr Goebbels but I’ll stick to American values. Even when they come for you.

            I’m sorry that the 1st Amendment causes you pain but suck it up and go, Snowflake

            Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances

          • KilltheBank

            Sew your mouth shut and cut off your fingers.

          • Lawn Dart

            Well you are more than a match for me. Have a day.

          • Lawn Dart

            And, by the way, I am a libertarian. If you want some sh*t, just tread on me. You can’t scare me even with a Trump mask.

          • KilltheBank

            You are a feckless bag of di cks. Quit looking under your bed for vast right wing conspiracies, loon.

    • ME

      MOD..you got it down to a T. We are now watching if Trump us going to make Amerikkka great again at the expense of humanity; or is he going to lead America back to the table of nations and rout out the israeli run deep state determined to ruin America and relocate its power to Jerusalem. The sinagogue of satan cannot hide its face so there is no excuse.

      • KilltheBank

        *America *synagogue

    • KilltheBank

      Valid criticism of any jew, anywhere, at any time is anti semitic and you are literally hitler if you disagree.

  • CharlesGraves

    Nice Ad hominem attack Lawn “Dirt”! We appreciate your logical analysis!!

    • Lawn Dart

      It wasn’t meant to be and if came across the way then I apologize to both you and Eric. I was pointing out, in my own pithy way, that the headline contradicts itself.

      • KilltheBank

        Isnt that how it is now? Headlines that contradict themselves

        • Lawn Dart

          Not usually but this seems like which neocon will win?

  • ME

    Listen eric…enough all ready…stop with your saudi foolishness… Ok you need the money…carry on then.

  • Lawn Dart

    I was wrong. I read and reread several times and it is plain insanity.

    Did I read it wrong? We are supposed to take over the Suadis because they have always had the main goal of taking over our new friends the Russians? We get Iran and Syria as new friends in the deal.
    The Saudis did 9/11. Flynn wants to bomb Iran.

    Did I misunderstand? If I read it correctly, I’ll have some of what Eric has been smoking.