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nicola
Posted: Jun 17th, 2009 at 11:10 am |
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Ingvar
Posted: Jun 17th, 2009 at 5:30 pm |
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Typical left-wing rethoric: “an array of proto-fascists, from the Christian right to the goons who disseminate hate talk on Fox News” - THIS is a real hatred. Hatred of conservative values, morals, Christianity, as well as of those who dare to stand firm in their faith. So typical of liberal “PC brigade”. |
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Y
Posted: Jun 17th, 2009 at 10:33 pm |
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2 Nicola. Keep in mind that “Kommersant” is too pro-Western to say openly anything against West. At the same time they are more than happy to inflate any “failure” or the current Russian leaders. Then, such thing like stop using dollar as the only world currency is not happenning overnight. It will take time - probably years. The point is that the process began. How successful and fast it will be only time will tell. US, when they really feel grilled smell, can easily start couple of more new wars to mess the whole world. |
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Ingvar
Posted: Jun 18th, 2009 at 4:08 am |
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Rather strange logic. Or the lack thereof. Do you mean to say that the author’s emotional conservative-bashing article reveals that even he deep inside realizes that author is rather right than wrong? Or do you agree with the author and think that it’s OK to call Christians and those who hold to conservative values “fascists”? |
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Y
Posted: Jun 18th, 2009 at 5:52 am |
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Oh, come on! As if you didn’t really get what I ment,.. as if nazi didn’t go to church (I hope you will not argue that it was Christian chursh, not some muslim mosque) and listen there to Bach music, not to muezzin’s singing. |
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Ingvar
Posted: Jun 18th, 2009 at 6:35 am |
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Excuse me, not only it is irrelevant, but quite stupid. The Nazis had absolutely nothing to do with Christianity - if you care to read the Gospel (at least the Sermon on the Mount) you will see it very clearly. To go to Church and to listen to Bach music does not mean to be a Christian. |
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Banthapoodoo
Posted: Jun 18th, 2009 at 12:50 pm |
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How about the WW-III? Can it help? Now many people think, that the banking kahal is going to organise a good big war to return the world back into it’s hands. Do you expect someting like tis? |
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Banthapoodoo
Posted: Jun 18th, 2009 at 1:10 pm |
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To Ingvar, as a reminder: socialism was invented as a way to return christian system of values, as an answer to the legalisation of the loan interest - that was treated as a sin in earlier times. So socialism has wery much to do with christianity. Socialism was thought to be a way of rebilding the spirit of the christian commons from the first ages of this religion. So, nazies were christians - exactly as much, as they were socialists. |
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Ingvar
Posted: Jun 18th, 2009 at 4:00 pm |
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Aha. Only the Socialists from the very beginning they claimed to be Atheists, persecuted the Christian Church (everywhere from Communist Russia to Republican Spain) and in the 20th century only murdered more people than anybody else throughout the whole history - “Christian system of values”, indeed. And they keep on doing so now in Europe - under the guise of “political correctness” and “multiculturalism”. Don’t tell me about socialism - I was born in a very, very socialist country and know what it is like! Quote:
It’s just shocking. You don’t understand what you’re saying. Do you have any slightest idea what it means to be a Christian? Did Christ and His Apostles teach to act like the Nazis did? |
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Y
Posted: Jun 18th, 2009 at 4:27 pm |
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> Do you have any slightest idea what it means |
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Ingvar
Posted: Jun 18th, 2009 at 5:31 pm |
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Well, it was the author and in this very article who called the “Christian right” fascists. Do I have the right to comment on that and express my opinion? You don’t have to comment on what I say and start a discussion. As well as assume what I “realize deep inside”. |
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bob
Posted: Jun 18th, 2009 at 6:16 pm |
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The terms “Witch” and “Witchcraft” have over a dozen conflicting meanings. The words are mainly used in this essay to refer to a unique belief system: that evil individuals, mostly women, sold their soul to the Christian Devil, worshiped Satan and devoted their lives to harming others. This belief was prevalent in Western Europe during the late Middle Ages and Renaissance. Many tens of thousands of individuals were called “Witches,” were convicted of worshiping Satan and were executed during what are now called the burning times. Residual beliefs from that era still exist today among some groups. |
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bob
Posted: Jun 18th, 2009 at 6:22 pm |
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Details of the “Burning Times:” Current estimates of the total number of executions of innocent people range from 3,000 (by one Roman Catholic source) to 9,000,000 (by many Neopagan sources). There have been many outrageous claims, such as a trial that resulted in the execution of 400 women in one day in France. The courts did not specifically target only women. The gender balance varied with location. In Iceland, over 90% of the accused Witches were men; in some countries in central Europe, over 80% were women; overall it was probably about 75% women. Most of the death sentences were passed by civil courts, not by the Catholic Church. However, the church was indirectly involved, as it provided the theological foundation for the persecution of heretics in civil courts. |
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bob
Posted: Jun 18th, 2009 at 6:38 pm |
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Traditional [tolerant] attitudes towards witchcraft began to change in the 14th century, at the very end of the Middle Ages. … Early 14th century central Europe was seized by a series of rumor-panics. Some malign conspiracy (Jews and lepers, Moslems, or Jews and witches) was attempting to destroy the Christian kingdoms through magick and poison. After the terrible devastation caused by the Black Death [bubonic plague] (1347-1349), these rumors increased in intensity and focused primarily on witches and “plague-spreaders.” Witchcraft cases increased slowly but steadily from the 14th-15th century. The first mass trials appeared in the 15th century. At the beginning of the 16th century, as the first shock-waves from the Reformation hit, the number of witch trials actually dropped. Then, around 1550, the persecution skyrocketed. What we think of as “the Burning Times” — the crazes, panics, and mass hysteria — largely occurred in one century, from 1550-1650. In the 17th century, the Great Hunt passed nearly as suddenly as it had arisen. Trials dropped sharply after 1650 and disappeared completely by the end of the 18th century. (Gibbons, “Recent Developments in the Study of the Great European Witch Hunt”.) |
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bob
Posted: Jun 18th, 2009 at 7:20 pm |
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Witch-hunts today Few people are aware that witch-hunts still claim thousands of lives every year, especially in the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, and above all in South Africa. Witch-hunts in South Africa have become “a national scourge,” according to Phumele Ntombele-Nzimande of the country’s Commission on Gender Equality. (Quoted in Gilbert Lewthwaite, “South Africans go on witch hunts,” Baltimore Sun, September 27, 1998.) The phenomenon is centered in the country’s poverty-stricken Northern Province, where “legislators counted 204 witchcraft-related killings [from 1985-95] … Police counted 312 for the same period. Everybody agreed both numbers were gross underestimates.” (Neely Tucker, “Season of the Witch Haunts Africa,” The Toronto Star, August 1, 1999.) In 1996 The Observer (UK) reported that “the precise statistics are not known, but the deaths from witch-burning episodes number in the hundreds each year and the trend appears to be on the rise.” (David Beresford, “Ancient superstitions, fear of witches cast spell on new nation,” reprinted in The Ottawa Citizen, June 18, 1996.) As with its European predecessor, witch-hunting in South Africa is closely tied not only to prevailing superstitions, but to socio-economic pressures, natural disasters, and personal jealousies. In the Northern Province, “among the poorly educated rural residents, traditional healers and clairvoyants claiming supernatural powers hold broad sway. And hunger, poverty, and unemployment can create jealousies that can quickly turn to anger and vengeance.” |
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Chronoscopist
Posted: Jun 18th, 2009 at 11:22 pm |
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To Ingvar. Christianity or anybody’s religious affiliation have nothing to do with the simple fact of the USA being insolvent if it does not find a way to refinance its debt. Socialism, national socialism, or whatever else -ism have nothing to do with it, either. A fact is a fact. |
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malcontent
Posted: Jun 18th, 2009 at 11:38 pm |
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Ingvar: —————————————- Wouldn’t calling the “Christian right” fascists be kinda redundant? Adding “Christian” to any other word, doesn’t change the other words meaning |
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Ingvar
Posted: Jun 19th, 2009 at 6:19 am |
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No, that would be oxymoron. BTW, what do you have against the right? Don’t you guys use the word “fascism” too lightly? Or did it become a label for whatever is not left-wing just to silence the opponents? Quote:
That’s true. But you know, years ago America-hating Socialist Russia predicted the bankruptcy of America (and the whole capitalist system) just as well… You know the story, I guess. Socialists have always criticized the Capitalism (and in a sense they were right), but they themselves have never been able to create anything better. Or even to match it. All they could do is to destroy. |
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Ruslan
Posted: Jun 19th, 2009 at 7:06 am |
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For Russia, it is high time to abandon the dollar. The crisis in Russia, among other reasons, was that the Bank of Russia made an unfavorable credit in rubles (national currency), forced to take loans in the West. That the effects of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, when the refused to think for ourselves, and take on advice from outside the United States. |
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Chronoscopist
Posted: Jun 19th, 2009 at 10:34 am |
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To Ingvar. I am aware that Socialists have been criticizing America for years. But now I am talking about the present time. Tonight I watched a local California TV channel. On TV Governer Schwartzenegger says that if the State does not quickly find 10 billion dollars to cover the budget deficit, then there will be a chance of bankruptcy. Is he a Socialist? Is he a critic of American Capitalism? I think he is just a penniless person. I want to say that the present (dire) situation in the U.S. economy is beyond the ideological contention of the past. It is just a simple bankruptcy case. |
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erd
Posted: Jun 21st, 2009 at 3:11 pm |
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Weil der Meister uns gesandt US has lost any kind or rather any vision of ideology and there is no ideology even visionary one any more. The reason therefor is simple: no ideology at all is possible in this country and so-called ideologies of the past were just simulacres of Baudrillard. Thouse ideologies (conservatism,liberalism,democracy etc.)were just an american show to deceive people. And surprisingly some people still belive… And the most surprising is the fact, that this people are not stupid: any country does need ideology in order to survive. But US dosn’t have own nationality, culture, traditions, religion and the lack of these basic values mackes impossible any ideology, becouse any ideology turns into manipulation. People, what are you talking about: there are no other conservative values in US, but liberalism and damocracy and freedom from everything, including morality, God and even healthy reason. All of you are complitly free (and first of all from God). No return - you have made your choise. People, you sacrificed everythyng you had for the case of ilusions, such as liberalism, democracy or freedom. So, you have got the freedom, but you have lost your free will, you lost yourself; you still have your pride, but you lost your dignity without retrive. And another time: I belive: no ideology - no country; no past - no future; no God - no human. Everything you realy have is a dollar, which was substituted for all of material values and the freedom, which was substituted for all of spirit values. Leave this Hell-country and come back home to your own and your ancients countries. IMHO US is Hell. Lauft, lauft, lauft, lauft, lauft |
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Valentin GORIZDRA
Posted: Jun 23rd, 2009 at 9:20 am |
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I managed to find ingeniously simple way out: the EXIT FROM the CATASTROPHIC FINANCIAL CRISIS THROUGH INTRODUCTION of the POWER STANDARD. I suggest to create System of the international monetary accounts with use power (rabotnyh) money GORIZDRA, being actually flexible real world reserve currency short): Each state through the central national bank independently establishes an exchange power rate of the monetary unit in kilowatt·hour (in abbreviated form - kW·hr), originally proceeding approximately from a weighted average price of electric energy. The exchange of power money of any two states is made through their declared exchange power rates. Each state — the emitter of the national money supplies the declared exchange power rate of the national money with reserves: Electricity in the natural form, and also in the natural form and other energy carriers (petroleum, gas, coal, uranium, petrol, kerosene, black oil, helium-3, etc.) and precious metals (gold, silver, platinum, a palladium, etc.) and nonferrous metals under the market power prices in kW•hr (advanced at corresponding International uniform exchanges), and also on mutual consent by power money of other states. On territories of each state wages, pecuniary rewards, taxes, duties, budgets, credits, the prices of all goods and services are indicated in kilowatt·hour (in abbreviated form - kW·hr). And cash payments (monetary payments, payments, etc.) Are made by local power money under the current exchange rate. Already has passed almost three months as I have given publicity to the power standard offered by me. On March, 30th, 2009 has registered the address on the Internet for a site under this global project (http://www.exitfromcris.h18.ru/index.php?lng=en). On him the SUBSTANTIATION of necessity of realisation of the power standard offered by me is in details stated. Valentin GORIZDRA |
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Nick
Posted: Jun 23rd, 2009 at 11:59 am |
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Winifred
Posted: Jun 25th, 2009 at 3:06 am |
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I actually like Valentin Gorizdra’s post a lot! Not only does he refrain from bickering, blaming the past, political name-calling, but he offers a creative solution, and one which does not involve WWIII. I would add that the power system needs to take into account pollution and sustainability issues. And, maybe, add fresh water to the list of valuable commodities. On a lighter note, I know Gorizdra would like to immortalize himself with the “Gorizdra,” but I think the power unit term should be the “Godzilla.” Godzilla would look so good on a power-based world monetary coin. |
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mr.VHY
Posted: Jun 26th, 2009 at 1:05 pm |
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Who are the people wrote here? Do they gov’t service? This article was cited in russian a lot. Why? That is an interesting question. In the other hand it’s too difficult to find its reference in english. |
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pingback:
Posted: Jul 16th, 2009 at 2:01 pm |
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The American Empire Is Bankrupt « Blikk – Nyheter for aktivister |

Dear Mr. Chris Hedges, I’m writing from Italy.
Today I read the article in regard to the Ekaterinburg meeting on the russian newspaper “Kommersant” on line. As I could understand, russian journalists reported the proposals of Medvedev to change the monetary system and in particolar to get rid of the dominant rule of the dollar. But, as Kommersant wrote, Medvedev was sustained only by Kazachstan president Nazarbaev. The other members of the Shanghai Organitation, as it is reported from Kommersant, had no intention to discus such a critic matter, in particular China.
Is it that Kommersant shows a duotfull attitude toward russian president? What’s your opinion?
Thanks very much.. Nicola