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Mark
Posted: Jul 10th, 2008 at 9:17 pm |
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3 year old kid
Posted: Jul 10th, 2008 at 9:19 pm |
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Java
Posted: Jul 10th, 2008 at 10:12 pm |
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Mark everything you mention here has been massively debunked. Calling people names is weak and you know it. Toofers fail to acknowledge evidence, counter evidence and scientific laws. Troofers have their own dogma and will attack those who don’t believe them. Cultish? Oh yes. This is why the 911 troof movement is dead. |
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Bob411
Posted: Jul 10th, 2008 at 11:16 pm |
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Bush said, not once, but twice that he watched the first plane hit the towers on a TV before entering that classroom. Everyone else had to watch the “only” known video of the plane crash when it surfaced over the next day. On 9-10-2001 Rumsfeld admited that 2.3 TRILLION dollars went missing from the PentaCon. Interestingly an “airplane” destroyed the financial data when it hit the PentaCon the following day…. while Dick Cheney was in charge of NORAD. Do the math. We were lied to. |
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Mark
Posted: Jul 11th, 2008 at 12:13 am |
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I am sorry but I have read all the debunkers nonsense. |
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3 year old kid
Posted: Jul 11th, 2008 at 1:37 am |
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Greetings fellow Government Sceptics. I am a qualified Physicists, and I can honestly tell you good people that on 911 the official conspiracy theory defies just about every known law of physics. I only wish that I was incorrect, but to a physicist it is so easy to identify the government 911 story as total hogwash. My son is just waiting for his A level results so I want to remain covert for now, but I am prepared to answer any physics related questions from anyone who has an interest in 911 regardless of what political position. |
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David Smith
Posted: Jul 11th, 2008 at 3:10 am |
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I am very disappointed that RINF would publish such blatant government official story propaganda — but also somewhat happy that RINF felt the need to take a stand on this growing movement. Too bad RINF has taken the wrong stand. go to google or youtube and search for the video I would like RINF to put up the REAL truth. As for 9-11, just search “911 truth.” There’s so much out there I wouldn’t know where to begin. |
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the big bopper
Posted: Jul 11th, 2008 at 3:16 am |
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all day long you put up articles about lost freedoms based on 9/11 and you dont know that 911 was done by the government????? rinf = rofl 9/11 truth is being exposed bbc reported building 7 collapsed before it did then said they lost the tapes for that day rinf = rofl this is mass murder going on by powerful people in govt not some terrorists did you read pnac?????? rinf = supporting murders |
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Searcher
Posted: Jul 11th, 2008 at 12:03 pm |
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“Instead the 9/11 ‘truth’ movement denies the existence of Al-Qaeda” This is a tipical strawman arguement. The 911 truth movement does not deny the existance of Al-Qaeda, but denies Al-Qaeda’s involvement in the terrorist attacks. It is interesting to note that no Islamic group claimed responcibility for the attack, and the accused groups all denied involvement. This is not tipical of Islamic terrorists, who are always eager to claim credit for their handy work. Yes, there are some crackpots that have some way out ideas like this, but they represent a very small minority of the truth movement, if they are, in fact, part of the truth movement. The truth movement do not spin grand conspiracy theories, but they ask questions about evidence which those who call them “crack-pot” choose to ignore. I will continue reading the article, but we’re off to a bad start, and I don’t think it will get any better. |
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Searcher
Posted: Jul 11th, 2008 at 12:25 pm |
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I must say that Mick Meaney is right. I can understand the outrage of the truth movement. Many of its founders had lost people in 9/11 or its aftermath, they see all the flaws in the official story, and yet no one seems to cares. Who would not become emotional? Unfortunately, it is also true that someone who states his case calmly and factually has a lot more credit, than someone going out on an emotional rampage. I’ve seen this in the Intelligent Design/Darwinism debate as well. Darwinism is loosing, because their awnsers to ID are emotional, dishonnest and insufficient. While ID is calmly pointing out the evidence and stating their case, Darwinists become emotional, gives false portrayals of the arguement, and then “debunk” it. They use smear tactics against those who believe the evidence point to ID, and they also ignore evidence that does not correspond with Darwinism. I have yet to read a Darwinist accurately describing what intelligent design actually state, and I doubt I ever will, because to do so would be to reveal their inability to debunk it. I would suggest that the 911 truth movement learn from the Discovery Institute how to state your case. After more than 10 years, the Darwinists still couldn’t get rid of them. The truth can not be hidden forever. |
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bruise
Posted: Jul 11th, 2008 at 3:29 pm |
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Yes Mick you are correct. I have been virbally abused and called names because I don’t believe in the conspiracy. They blame a Jewish Illuminati for 911 and refuse to accept this is racism. big bopper didn’t watch BBC2 last Sunday night? If he had then he would surely see that most of his argument is a non starter. Mick you’re doing good. Don’t let the sheep drag you down. Yes the 911 truth movement are the real sheep. |
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Bob411
Posted: Jul 11th, 2008 at 9:21 pm |
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Mick, you’re wrong (distraction tactic?). But thank you for attempting to group ever “truther” into a nice litte box. Anyway, back to the issue at hand: Does anyone remember the people being interviewed on the news on 9-11, explaining what they saw? I remember seeing Gary Welz a couple of different times on the news wearing different costumes pretending to be different people. He’s an actor. Same thing with John Albenese. Has anybody “debunked” why we saw actors explaining what they witnessed on 9-11? I’m really not interested in debating “aliens did it” or “there were no planes” theories. I believe these people are either lunatics or disinformation agents. In September Clues they point out a plethera of problems with regard to what was shown to us on the news. It’s amazing that the fact that the video in the Faux archives has been modified, edited, and altered compared to what they showed us that day and it isn’t raising any eyebrows. But, as BBC has demonstrated (through amnesia and missing tapes from the archives), the MSM will go to great lengths to cover their own butts. If anybody could provide some explanation about “Gary Welz”, I’d appreciate it. |
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Bob411
Posted: Jul 11th, 2008 at 9:56 pm |
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Obviously you didn’t bother reading my comment. I don’t support any theories only asking questions. So many inconsistencies and about that day and you’re more interested in trying to pick fights with truthers. This seems counterproductive. Maybe it’s just the “angle” of this site? Anyway, as I stated before: Does anyone remember the people being interviewed on the news on 9-11, explaining what they saw? I remember seeing Gary Welz a couple of different times on the news wearing different costumes pretending to be different people. He’s an actor. Same thing with John Albenese. Why were actors telling us about what they witnessed? |
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Ashley
Posted: Jul 12th, 2008 at 12:05 am |
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I posted the following questions to a debunker on another thread, if any debunkers here want to take a stab at them help yourselves: - Name me one other steel framed skyscraper that has totally collapsed due to fire damage. (clue - there aren’t any) Do you agree that bin Laden writes a note in the responsibility video with his right hand? (clue - yes he does) Do you agree the FBI website says he is left handed? (clue - yes it does) Do you agree that bin Laden can be seen wearing a gold ring and gold or gold plated watch in the responsibility video? (clue - he can) Do you agree that it is almost definite that a devout Muslim like bin Laden wouldn’t wear anything gold as it is forbidden by his faith like wearing silk? (clue - this is correct) Do you agree that the bin Laden in the reponsibility video looks more like Les Dennis than bin Laden? (clue - Les Dennis is stretching it a bit, but I have never seen a picture of Bin Laden looking quite so chubby around the face, especially considering he was supposed to be very ill at this time. His beard is the wrong colour too) Please explain how asymetrical damage and chaotic fires could have such a perfectly uniform effect when collapsing WTC7 (by explain I mean tell me how the laws of physics I have quoted are not applicable(Law of increasing entropy, law of conservation of momentum and objects taking the path of least resistance)). (clue - not possible but I can’t wait to see you try) Please give some indication of how the spherical pieces of iron came in to existance, being as they need steel/iron to melt in order to be generated and the official reports say that the temperatures were not hot enough for this. (clue - if the fires didn’t get hot enough to melt the steel then the spherical particles cannot exist, but they do) |
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Maasanova
Posted: Jul 12th, 2008 at 12:43 am |
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9/11 Cultwatch’s view on the 9/11 Truth Movement echo the same views as the Simon Wiesenthall Center’s views on the 9/11 Truth Movement: that they hold closed, an potentially dangerous views of social issues, particularly those pertaning to the government. They do this by smearing of course, and by presenting the movement as being on the fringe of society (cult-like, racist or radicals), when in actuality based on current polls, the views of the movement appear to be those of the mainstream (in varying degrees of course). This is just a common form of disinformation and truth suppression and I’m surprised that after all these years, this technique still works to the degree it does. |
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Ringo
Posted: Jul 16th, 2008 at 2:45 pm |
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What a stupid conclusion. I don’t belong to any organizations or groups in reference to 9/11 because any idiot can discern 9/11 was an inside job. It’s so obvious that only an ignorant jackass (or a bought off one) could deny American and Israeli involvement. When are people finally going to wise up? |
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ROBinDALLAS
Posted: Jul 21st, 2008 at 3:07 pm |
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It is ironic that one of Chomsky’s most renown books is It is true that there are many who understandably detest American policies of imperialism. The 911 events being an inside job don’t nullify this fact. |
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Kate
Posted: Jul 22nd, 2008 at 3:09 am |
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I only looked into the events of 9-11 recently, at the request of a sibling. The 9-11 truth movement is certainly not monolithic. After a while I realized that not only did I have to weed out the well-intentioned but unreasonable, or insignificant, arguments, but those by people who are very likely government agents. Noam Chomsky’s criticism of the name-calling within the movement is valid, and it’s understandable that to an anti-war activist of the 60s the main focus should be on protesting the war. But, on the other hand, there is staggering evidence supporting the argument that Bush’s so-called “War on Terror” is based on a false premise, i.e. the bombing and invasion of Afghanistan was defensive because Al-Qaeda attacked the US on 9-11-01. Also, our country is in a greater crisis today than it was 40 years ago during the Vietnam War. It is imperative that Americans hear about and understand the fallacies of the official story of 9-11 and the evidence that not only counters it but implicates our own government and other entities working in concert with it. Only then will citizens understand that it’s more patriotic to stop sending their sons and daughers to fight in wars based on false premises and to stay home and fight for our eroding rights, to demand an end to the “War on Terror,” whose name and the laws supporting it are acts of terror against the US public. It’s no doubt uncomfortable for some people to hear it repeated over and over how Pearl Harbor was provoked and allowed to happen. Had the public been wiser the government wouldn’t have been able to gain its support for entering that war when it did, and remaining for its duration. Had anti-war activists known the truth 40 years ago about the Bay of Tonkin, or at least questioned more the reason for going to Vietnam, it certainly would have given us a better footing. And if people realized that governments didn’t start lying to the public in the 20th century, but that Lincoln lied about the Civil War being about the abolition slavery in order to recruit blacks and abolitionists to diminshed Union ranks, they might realize that there has rarely if ever been a righteous war. It is often said that the first casualty of war is truth, but actually “neutralizing” truth is the main prerequisite for a nation to start a war, and pursuing the truth is the primary prerequisite for citizens to end an unjust war. I applaud all the people who have struggled thus far to demand a new hearing on 9-11, and to persuade the rest of us who were slow to come around. You’re heroes, one and all. |
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Dave
Posted: Jul 26th, 2008 at 2:43 pm |
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The “War on Terror” is BECAUSE OF 9/11. 9/11 is a blatant lie, disprovable in literally hundreds on different areas. & thus anyone promoting the government’s account of it & attack those who expose it are pro-war by default. These ‘anarchist’ anti-truth groups are childish & silly, & they reveal it espescially when they use ridiculous insults like “toofer” to describe real researchers. |

“The 9/11 ‘truth’ movement massively distracts from the issues facing all those struggling for a better world.”
You people are pitiful.
9/11 is the issue that affects the whole world.
The war on terror is a fraud. Lets just let millions of unknown immigrants come into our country and then tell me there is a war on terror(BIG JOKE).
If you know any history Al-Ciada was created by the CIA to fight the Russians. We gave them money to radicalize the muslims against the Russians.
The Bush family has been in bed with the Bin Ladens for over 30 years.
The 911 commission report is full of lies and omissions.
Please watch 9/11 Press For Truth, Improbable collapse - The demolition of our Republic, Loose Change Final Cut, 911 mysteries, 9/11: The Myth and Reality by David Ray Griffin and 9/11: Blueprint for the Truth by Richard Gage. Then please come back here and tell me what is wrong with there analysis?
You 9/11 deniers ignore facts, evidence and history to allow yourself to believe your living in a world where the only evil people wear head scarfs.
GET REAL! GET AWARE! Before you drag the whole world into oppresive world government.