{"id":335497,"date":"2017-11-18T04:06:32","date_gmt":"2017-11-18T03:06:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/rinf.com\/alt-news\/newswire\/tolerance-of-violence-in-homes-is-the-necessary-precursor-to-public-violence\/"},"modified":"2017-11-18T04:06:32","modified_gmt":"2017-11-18T03:06:32","slug":"tolerance-of-violence-in-homes-is-the-necessary-precursor-to-public-violence","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/rinf.com\/alt-news\/newswire\/tolerance-of-violence-in-homes-is-the-necessary-precursor-to-public-violence\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018Tolerance of Violence in Homes Is the Necessary Precursor to Public Violence\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Janine Jackson interviewed Soraya Chemaly about the link between domestic violence and mass murder for the <a href=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/home\/jorge-gutierrez-and-soraya-chemaly-on-orlando-massacre\/\">June 17, 2016, episode<\/a> of <strong>CounterSpin, <\/strong>an interview that was reaired for the <a href=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/home\/james-henry-on-paradise-papers-soraya-chemaly-on-domestic-violence-and-mass-killings\/\">November 10, 2017<\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/home\/james-henry-on-paradise-papers-soraya-chemaly-on-domestic-violence-and-mass-killings\/\">, show<\/a>. 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Writer and activist Soraya Chemaly directs the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.womensmediacenter.com\/speech-project\">Women&#8217;s Media Center Speech Project<\/a> and is organizer of the Safety and Free Speech Coalition. She had just written about domestic violence and the Orlando shooting for <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/politics\/news\/in-orlando-as-usual-domestic-violence-was-ignored-red-flag-20160613\"><strong>Rolling Stone<\/strong><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><strong>JJ:<\/strong> I\u2019ll start where your article starts: I was not, in fact, surprised to learn that the killer in Orlando had a record of domestic violence. Why wasn\u2019t I?<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>SC:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I think time and time again we\u2019ve seen examples, and I mean, we could go through a list: Sandy Hook, the Sydney shootings\u2014I\u2019d forgotten about that, but that had started in domestic violence\u2014the Colorado abortion clinic attack. And so, when you see it happen, and it\u2019s such a distinct pattern in the course of the violence, you sort of wait for the other shoe to drop.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_5581628\" style=\"max-width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/SorayaChemaly.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-5581628\" src=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/SorayaChemaly.jpg\" alt=\"Soraya Chemaly\" width=\"350\" height=\"197\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>Soraya Chemaly: &#8220;We are so silent, so shamed by what is happening in homes, that we cannot construct the language or the public policy to make sense of it, and to then prevent it.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I think what happens is that most people who maybe aren\u2019t attuned to this particular dimension will see items in the news that are fairly poorly framed, are given headlines that don\u2019t really address perpetration, but instead identify victims. It\u2019s hard to then understand the wider context for this idea that it\u2019s violence in homes, and tolerance, societal tolerance, for violence in homes, that is the necessary precursor to all of this public violence.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>JJ: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Connecting dots between coercive and abusive behavior, some of which is considered \u201cnormal,\u201d and lethal violence doesn\u2019t mean saying every domestic abuser is a mass murderer in the making, but it\u2019s a value in seeing these echoes, right, in terms of telling us all of the points that we need to engage?<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>SC: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">That\u2019s right. I mean, I think a lot of people hear 57 \u00a0percent, I think it\u2019s 57 \u00a0percent of mass killings, start in acts of intimate partner violence or family violence, whether it\u2019s sons killing parents and siblings, or fathers killing entire families or ex-spouses attacking intimates. They leap from that to hearing, instead, all domestic abusers are going to be mass killers, which is obviously just kind of a breakdown in logic.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But I think that as a society, we\u2019re trying to figure out why this is happening, how can we prevent it from happening. And very clearly, one thing we have to do, otherwise I really do believe efforts will fail\u2014even though, clearly, better gun control would reduce the number of gun deaths we have\u2014but clearly one of the things we have to do is really take a step back, introspectively, and look at how tolerant we are of violence in homes. Very hands off about it, still.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>JJ:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Right. And of course you don\u2019t want to be framing it as, let\u2019s pay attention to men who commit domestic violence because they might go on to do something else.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>SC: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">No. That\u2019s right.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_5593507\" style=\"max-width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-5593507\" src=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/James-Dobson.jpg\" alt=\"James Dobson (cc photo: Chip Berlet)\" width=\"350\" height=\"416\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>James Dobson (cc photo: Chip Berlet)<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> The point is what they\u2019re doing now. Well, some people\u2014not enough, maybe, but some\u2014noted that a week before the killings, conservative Christian leader James Dobson had suggested that men take up arms to defend their wives from trans people in bathrooms. He <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rightwingwatch.org\/post\/james-dobson-goes-on-anti-trans-rant-god-help-us\/\">said<\/a>:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you are a married man with any gumption, surely you will defend your wife\u2019s privacy and security\u2026. If this had happened a hundred years ago, someone might have been shot. Where is today\u2019s manhood? <\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, there\u2019s a line between that and killing queer people in a club, and it doesn\u2019t pass through Islam.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>SC:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Right.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>JJ: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">At the same time, Dobson said, Barack Obama is \u201ca tyrant, he is determined to change the way males and females relate to one another.\u201d And I think that gets at something that you wrote about as well.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>SC:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> What we\u2019re looking at here is this clash of some very, very fundamental beliefs about gender roles and gender identity. And there simply are people who, for whatever reasons\u2014psychological, emotional, financial\u2014they really believe in binary gender roles, rigid gender roles; and changes in the culture that destabilize that belief are highly threatening. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So that\u2019s why public bathrooms are such a flashpoint. I mean, the point is that women and children are much, much, much, much, much more vulnerable in their own homes and in places of worship to sexual assault, than anybody is in a public bathroom. I mean, that\u2019s just clear, factually, on the basis of what we know. So the public bathroom flashpoint is more symbolic of the fear that people have about those cultural changes.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And in this shooting, you know, we really don\u2019t know enough about the man as an individual, in terms of sexual shame or sexual practices, but what we do know is that he was extremely abusive to his first wife. He treated her like a piece of property. He held her hostage, he violently assaulted her, and he thought that was his right. And in point of fact he wasn\u2019t really challenged in that, ultimately, because, while she was removed from the home by her family, the family, for a wide variety of reasons, as families often do, don\u2019t want to criminalize the person.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so there ends up being, for lack of a better way of putting it, a kind of hermeneutic void in public understanding, because we are so silent, so shamed by what is happening in homes, that we cannot construct the language or the public policy to make sense of it, and to then prevent it.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_5593506\" style=\"max-width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-5593506\" src=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/DN-Orlando-Massacre.png\" alt=\"Democracy Now!: When It Comes to Orlando Massacre, Domestic Violence is the Red Flag We Aren\u2019t Talking About\" width=\"350\" height=\"357\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em><strong>Democracy Now!<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.democracynow.org\/2016\/6\/14\/when_it_comes_to_orlando_massacre\">6\/14\/16<\/a>)<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> And with that is an inability to collect data, I heard you <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.democracynow.org\/2016\/6\/14\/when_it_comes_to_orlando_massacre\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">say<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> on <strong>Democracy Now!<\/strong>, to collect the kind of data that would make it a coherent issue so we could see the scope of \u2014<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>SC:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Absolutely.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>JJ:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Right. Well, I remember in 2014, a man came to New York City and killed two police officers, and the media were like, basically, Oh, right, and before that he shot his girlfriend. You know, it was very clearly segregated, it was not of a piece in the story.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>SC:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> No. It\u2019s like incidental. Oh, by the way.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>JJ<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: You know, it was like what happened before he was violent.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>SC<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Yes.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>JJ:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Stopping doing that would be good. Stopping saying that people had \u201cno history of violence,\u201d when they have records of domestic violence. What else would you ask for from media in terms of this issue?<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>SC: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, I\u2019d like media to diversify its own management. Because as long as we have distinctly not-diverse management and ownership of media, we will continue to have these kind of epistemologically skewed understandings of the world. We\u2019re not asking the right questions, so we cannot end up with the right headlines or the right counter-narrative. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And that connection is, I think, also fairly elusive. I mean, it\u2019s hard for media to critique itself, right? I mean, the reason that we don\u2019t have a good understanding of domestic violence and sexual violence, and the role that those play in persistent misogyny and racism, is, frankly, because we don\u2019t have a very diverse media. And so people tell stories that tend to reflect their own experiences, or that they understand, and as a result of that, you just don\u2019t see these stories in dynamic profusion.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_5593505\" style=\"max-width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-5593505\" src=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Rolling-Stone-Rape-Decision.png\" alt=\"Rolling Stone: Why Did Judge Aaron Persky's Stanford Rape Decision Go Viral?\" width=\"350\" height=\"444\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\"><strong>Rolling Stone<\/strong> (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/culture\/features\/why-did-judge-aaron-perskys-stanford-rape-decision-go-viral-20160616\">6\/16\/16<\/a>)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><b>JJ: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right. And you sometimes wonder why some stories do rise to the surface. The Stanford rapist, for example: You feel grateful for the opportunity to shine a light on certain things, but part of you says, You know this happens every day, right?<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>SC:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Right.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>JJ: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But for media, it\u2019s almost as though the everyday-ness of a problem means it gets less attention.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>SC:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> You know, it\u2019s interesting. I actually just this morning published a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/culture\/features\/why-did-judge-aaron-perskys-stanford-rape-decision-go-viral-20160616\">piece<\/a> about why the Stanford story became viral.<\/span> <span style=\"font-weight: 400\">What was that? Because it is something that happens absolutely every day, and there are some other really horrific stories that are extremely similar, like the Vanderbilt gang rape case last year, that didn\u2019t raise any public alarms.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And what I think is interesting about the Stanford case is that it brought together the Title IX movement and the Black Lives Matter movement in a very graphic way. I mean, Brock Turner\u2019s face really became a graphic symbol of those two issues coming together in their mutual critique of fraternal white male supremacy. And it just happened to be at this moment of time that those two forms of entitlement, which are often exercised in rape, came together.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><b>JJ: <\/b>That was writer\/activist\u00a0Soraya Chemaly, speaking with <strong>CounterSpin<\/strong> in June of 2016. In a new <strong>Village Voice<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.villagevoice.com\/2017\/11\/08\/americas-mass-shooting-problem-is-a-domestic-violence-problem\/\">piece<\/a> in the wake of the Texas shooting, Chemaly cites a landmark four-decade study of 70 countries that found that the most important force in reducing violence against women\u2014more significant than economic wealth or even government representation\u2014was a social commitment to strong, independent feminist movements.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"et_bloom_bottom_trigger\"><\/span><br \/>\nThis piece was reprinted by <a href=\"http:\/\/rinf.com\">RINF Alternative News<\/a> with permission from <a href=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/home\/tolerance-of-violence-in-homes-is-the-necessary-precursor-to-public-violence\/\">FAIR<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Janine Jackson interviewed Soraya Chemaly about the link between domestic violence and mass murder for the June 17, 2016, episode of CounterSpin, an interview that was reaired for the November 10, 2017, show. 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