{"id":381588,"date":"2018-10-19T05:26:56","date_gmt":"2018-10-19T04:26:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rinf.com\/alt-news\/newswire\/the-media-continue-to-promote-a-narrative-of-dependency-counterspin-interview-with-teresa-basilio-on-puerto-rico-communications\/"},"modified":"2018-10-19T05:26:56","modified_gmt":"2018-10-19T04:26:56","slug":"the-media-continue-to-promote-a-narrative-of-dependency-counterspin-interview-with-teresa-basilio-on-puerto-rico-communications","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/rinf.com\/alt-news\/newswire\/the-media-continue-to-promote-a-narrative-of-dependency-counterspin-interview-with-teresa-basilio-on-puerto-rico-communications\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018The Media Continue to Promote a Narrative of Dependency\u2019 &#8211; CounterSpin interview with Teresa Basilio on Puerto Rico communications"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Janine Jackson interviewed Teresa Basilio Gaztambide about communications failures in Puerto Rico for the <a href=\"https:\/\/fair.org\/home\/teresa-basilio-on-puerto-rico-communication-failure-amrah-salomon-on-indigenous-peoples-day\/\">October 12, 2018, episode<\/a> of <strong>CounterSpin<\/strong>. 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Over 95 percent of cell sites were <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/article\/us-storm-maria-telecoms\/u-s-fcc-says-over-95-pct-of-puerto-rico-cell-sites-out-of-service-idUSKCN1BW2R1\">knocked out of service<\/a>, hindering rescue and recovery efforts. Days after the storm, no TV and only a handful of radio stations could function. And the restoration has been painfully slow.<\/p>\n<p>The coalition of groups also urged the agency to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.freepress.net\/news\/press-releases\/puerto-rican-advocates-and-social-justice-groups-call-fcc-launch-independent\">convene<\/a> public hearings <i>in<\/i> Puerto Rico, so that commissioners could \u201chear directly from Puerto Ricans on how their lives were impacted\u201d by the lack of a resilient communications infrastructure.<\/p>\n<p>But the conversation around communications in Puerto Rico is not primarily one of petitioning the powerful. If anything, the hurricane and the inadequate federal response have made clearer the need for other kinds of work, in other places, that can give people more power over their communications rights, as part of the fight for all of their rights.<\/p>\n<p>Our next guest is part of that work. Teresa Basilio Gaztambide is director of Resilient Just Technologies, as well as an artist and organizer. She\u2019s just back from Vieques, and joins us now by phone from Brooklyn. Welcome to <b>CounterSpin<\/b>, Teresa Basilio.<\/p>\n<p><b>Teresa Basilio:<\/b> Thank you.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> When we talk about <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/national\/fema-admits-failures-in-puerto-rico-disaster-response-in-new-after-action-report\/2018\/07\/12\/b7900228-8636-11e8-9e80-403a221946a7_story.html?utm_term=.3983e352ebdb\">communications failures<\/a> in Puerto Rico after Maria, we\u2019re talking, of course, about people who couldn\u2019t check on their family and friends because phones weren\u2019t working, failures that may have increased the storm\u2019s death toll of at least 3,000, new research <a href=\"https:\/\/www.usatoday.com\/story\/news\/nation\/2018\/05\/30\/hurricane-maria-puerto-rico-death-toll-white-house\/656252002\/\">says<\/a> as many as 5,000, human beings.<\/p>\n<p>The work you\u2019re doing seems to grow out of recognition of the fullest meaning of communications: technology and storytelling, and how they meet. So what were you doing in Vieques, and what does or doesn\u2019t it have to do with events of the past year?<\/p>\n<p><b>TB:<\/b> First off, I\u2019m from Puerto Rico originally. I was born there, but I was raised, like many of my folks, we were raised in the States. But I have continued to have a very deep connection with Puerto Rico, and so in the past few years, my emphasis has moved to trying to figure out really tangible ways to support the process of decolonization for Puerto Rico. Because I have been working in media for a long time&#8211;prior to this work, I worked at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thealliance.media\/members\/global-action-project\/\">Global Action Project<\/a>, which is a youth media social justice organization&#8211;so I work with young people in creating collaborative films that tell the story of what their issues are and how to resolve them.<\/p>\n<p>And so I come from a background of storytelling myself, and seeing the importance of storytelling, not just to get our stories out there, but also as a way to build community. So I moved into this work of technology, and I started Resilient Just Technologies, as a way to garner all of the things that I\u2019ve learned, and the people that I\u2019ve been fortunate to work with, to see if I could leverage all the different things that for me communications encompasses, which includes not just the communications, but media, political education, decentralized technology, storytelling, a whole host of things that are interconnected with the idea of communications. I was looking to leverage all of these different ideas for organizers on the front lines of racial, economic and climate justice movements, and so I\u2019ve been working here in New York with New York City communities who are building local networks, wireless networks, for use in emergencies and for community organizing.<\/p>\n<p>And so I really wanted to figure out how to use that knowledge and relationships and understandings to support my folks in Puerto Rico and the diaspora. I was in Vieques&#8211;I just got back a few days ago&#8211;I was in Vieques and Comer\u00edo, two areas that, for a variety of reasons, have a long history, both of struggle, as well as of just really innovative ways of organizing communities. So I was there to talk to communities who were directly impacted by the loss of the communications infrastructure, following both hurricanes <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nbcnews.com\/storyline\/hurricane-irma\/hurricane-irma-skirts-puerto-rico-lashing-it-powerful-winds-flooding-n799086\">Irma<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/interactive\/2018\/09\/20\/us\/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-housing.html\">Maria<\/a>. As we saw, or as we know, the communications system <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/2017\/9\/29\/16372048\/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-2017-electricity-water-food-communications-phone-internet-recovery\">completely failed<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The purpose of these conversations&#8211;which are story circles, which is a cultural organizing tool that comes from the South here in the US&#8211;the idea is to really, in community, have a conversation about what happened to us: What was the impact of that? And then also talk about, what does a just communication system look like for our people? So really a visioning as well, and affirming the ways in which we\u2019ve been able to organize already, and protect ourselves and our communities.<\/p>\n<p>And what came out of these conversations was a whole lot of stuff. I mean, there was the clear evidence of trauma, not just not being able to reach your relatives, but not being able to reach medical care, not even knowing what\u2019s happening day-to-day, if there was access to clean water, if food was coming. There\u2019s just so many things that people were just cut off from completely, their basic human right to communication.<\/p>\n<p>The stories are really important, to tell what really has been the impact, but also as a healing justice part of the work. I think that some of the times, we have these conversations, but we don\u2019t talk about the impact of trauma on our communities, and how we need spaces together in community to really deal with it and address it and move together to continue supporting each other through it. So I was in both Vieques and Comer\u00edo to facilitate those story circles with my friends at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.freepress.net\/\"><b>Free Press<\/b><\/a>, and with Melissa Rosario, who runs a healing justice and decolonization project in Puerto Rico called <a href=\"http:\/\/www.decolonizepr.com\/\">CEPA<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> You\u2019re talking about the importance of these conversations, and then there is the matter of creating and maintaining the space in which to have those conversations, and there\u2019s where the technology can come in. So I wanted to ask you about these <a href=\"http:\/\/pnkgo.com\/\">Portable Network Kits<\/a> that you also work with.<\/p>\n<p><b>TB:<\/b> Right. So part of the project\u2014and my understanding of both community technology, as well as a just transition for Puerto Rico, means that our communities also need to have <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/politics\/archive\/2018\/09\/hurricane-maria-anniversary-puerto-rico-trump\/570928\/\">access to the infrastructure<\/a>. I think it\u2019s one thing to say, \u201cWe\u2019re going to push the FCC and the telecoms to do the right thing.\u201d It\u2019s a whole other project to validate people\u2019s self-determination by the ownership and governance of their infrastructure.<\/p>\n<p>And so in a colonial situation, these things get very, very difficult. So the conversation that I\u2019ve been having with people there is, \u201cWhat technology is available that can support a lot of these kinds of efforts, these self-determination efforts, that are happening throughout the island?\u201d Most notably through the <a href=\"http:\/\/agitarte.org\/centros-de-apoyo-mutuo-centers-of-mutual-support-4\/\">CAMs<\/a>\u2014the mutual aid centers that popped up, I there\u2019s maybe 11 or 12 of them, that popped up immediately after the storms, to do everything from feeding people to health services, acupuncture\u2014I mean, you name it. They\u2019ve been doing that work, and they continue to do that work, one year past the hurricane.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_8928666\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-8928666\" src=\"https:\/\/fair.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Portable-Network-Kit.jpg\" alt=\"Portable Network Kit\" width=\"350\" height=\"350\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>Portable Network Kit (Allied Media Projects, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.alliedmedia.org\/news\/2017\/11\/09\/pnk-puerto-rico-crowdfunding-critical-infrastructure-post-maria\">11\/9\/17<\/a>)<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>So in my conversation with some of these folks, it seems like they were looking for technology that could be maintained and governed by communities, and have local usage. And what I mean by that is, that if internet fails, this technology\u2014the Portable Network\u2014<a href=\"https:\/\/www.alliedmedia.org\/resilient-just-tech\">can be started<\/a> here in New York City through the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newamerica.org\/resilient-communities\/resilient-futures\/resilient-communities-represents-new-america-national-planning-convention\/\">Resilient Networks NYC<\/a> project, which is the project I was mentioning before, where we have five communities that are building their own local networks.<\/p>\n<p>So we produced these Portable Network Kits. And they were initially just going to be used as a repair kit for our networks that are here. But we realized that they had a use in emergency situations because they\u2019re portable, because they have some additional security measures, they\u2019re affordable (a small one could be as little as $300), and they have different kinds of resiliency features, including, you can power them through solar panels and battery packs. So there\u2019s just a variety of ways in which they\u2019re really, really useful.<\/p>\n<p>So we did the <a href=\"https:\/\/media.noticel.com\/o2com-noti-media-us-east-1\/document_dev\/2018\/07\/09\/pr-draft-recovery-plan-for-comment-july-9-2018_1531190756750_12290598_ver1.0.pdf\">training<\/a> with one of the camps in Santurce three weeks ago, called <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/1910665712520895\/photos\/a.1920704268183706\/2147219292198868\/?type=3&amp;theater\">El Hormiguero<\/a>. They\u2019re doing amazing work in Santurce, again, a variety of things, from feeding people to self-defense classes to resiliency planning.<\/p>\n<p>So they invited us there, myself and some colleagues, community technologist colleagues from <a href=\"https:\/\/thepoint.org\/\">The Point<\/a>, which is one of the community organizations that\u2019s building the network in the Hunts Point section of the Bronx. They came with their digital stewards. \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.alliedmedia.org\/dctp\/digitalstewards\">Digital stewards<\/a>\u201d is the name that we use for community residents who are trained in building, maintaining and running the networks, ensuring, again, local governance and control.<\/p>\n<p>And so we built a small, local network there in Santurce, and that network is up and running. And what I was mentioning before, the thing that\u2019s significant about it, is that it can work with the internet, so it can help share the internet with the different sites, but it also can function as a local network without the internet, with something called <a href=\"http:\/\/pnkgo.com\/about-pnk\/\">island mode<\/a>. So people can continue to communicate with each other in a local space, and send files to each other, videos, photos&#8211;just communicate, basically&#8211;when everything goes down. And so this is a really important tool that folks in Puerto Rico are interested in using. We\u2019ve been working with folks there who are excited about that work. And also trying to support the ongoing work of the mutual aid centers throughout the island.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> The power, of course, of these very local and direct, people-to-people communications goes well beyond the fact that they can continue to function even in times of environmental catastrophe. It\u2019s also what they get to say. We saw a spate of stories after Maria about what you call this \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.npr.org\/2018\/06\/03\/616661110\/a-small-puerto-rico-town-s-makeshift-relief-center\">mutual aid<\/a>.\u201d We heard about communities working together to clear the roads and to fix houses in the absence of support from the state.<\/p>\n<p>But it\u2019s very evocative to think about applying that mutual aid ethic to communications. As a media critic, you always get this sense that you\u2019re supposed to \u201cwin the media,\u201d that social justice organizations have to \u201cwin the media,\u201d and that\u2019s the way to speak to the people in order to change things. But this is a way of working around\u2014and without\u2014elite media, in order to tell <a href=\"https:\/\/www.alliedmedia.org\/project-defense-just-communications-puerto-ricoproyecto-en-defensa-de-comunicaciones-justas-en\">stories that need to be told<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><b>TB:<\/b> Exactly. That focus on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wired.com\/story\/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-tech\/\">decentralized technologies<\/a>, which is, you know, a movement across the world; this is not a new thing. But it&#8217;s a movement to really support self-governance in a place like Puerto Rico, where colonialism is the rule, and a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.un.org\/press\/en\/2018\/gacol3324.doc.htm\">very brutal form of colonialism<\/a> and neoliberalism that is impacting our people. Even after a hurricane, now they\u2019re trying to put all sorts of awful <a href=\"https:\/\/www.apnews.com\/d58484532f3f4dc48d9ff879948caf9a\">privatization schemes<\/a> on top of that.<\/p>\n<p>A lot of the relationship to the telecoms <a href=\"https:\/\/slate.com\/technology\/2018\/06\/the-fcc-plan-to-restore-puerto-rico-internet-and-phone-service-has-a-trade-off.html\">has been<\/a> one very much of, like, client relationships, right? So it\u2019s really trying to shift that narrative away from that to one of, again, self-governance, community control. Again\u2014not things that are new, but really trying to utilize existing technologies that are affordable as a way to support that very basic human right towards self-determination.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> I wanted to ask about that in particular. The relationship between the US government and Puerto Rico wasn\u2019t reflected, of course, only in agency foot-dragging. And the curtain was pulled off, the sneer of it, the arrogance of that relationship, with that image of Donald Trump <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/news\/post-nation\/wp\/2017\/10\/06\/in-puerto-rico-trumps-paper-towel-toss-reveals-where-his-empathy-lies\/?utm_term=.d065382d6add\">tossing<\/a> freaking paper towels to people at an aid distribution center. If there were any mystery to it, I think it should be removed.<\/p>\n<p>But all of which is just to say that taking control of the narrative, and being able to subvert imagery that\u2019s pervasive, that means particular things for Puerto Ricans.<\/p>\n<p><b>TB:<\/b> Definitely. Absolutely. Certainly, the<a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/investigates\/special-report\/usa-puertorico-economy\/\"> narrative of dependency<\/a>, the narrative that the federal government was putting forward, that somehow we were to blame for the misery that colonialism causes; that our people&#8230;they lacked gratitude for the work that was being done, when actually things were not getting there. We weren\u2019t getting food. We weren\u2019t even getting tarps. Most of the tarps that ended up on the island came because people brought them there. The diaspora <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wlrn.org\/post\/how-south-florida-puerto-ricans-stepped-and-flew-aid-their-demolished-island\">sent<\/a> them there.<\/p>\n<p>So there is a huge failure on the local and federal government level. And you\u2019re right, it absolutely did reveal the mask of colonialism, the brutality of it. Unfortunately, it seems that a lot of the media has not learned that lesson, and so continue to promote a narrative of dependency, of paternalism, and doesn\u2019t recognize the amazing work that people are doing to help each other, to support each other. And that\u2019s what I saw when I was in Vieques and in Comer\u00edo, you know, communities very impacted also by poverty, ongoing poverty; it unveiled the brutality of the political and economic situation. And so folks have been supporting and doing what they can to help each other out throughout.<\/p>\n<p>But I think at this moment, because of the hurricane, there\u2019s an opportunity to shift that narrative. There\u2019s an opportunity to shift resources, to shift understandings of what the relationship is between Puerto Rico and the United States, and Puerto Rico and the rest of the world.<\/p>\n<p>So I\u2019m hopeful, and also incredibly inspired by the people that I met, that I spoke with who shared their stories, who are working in their localities to promote these ideas around self-determination, because the process of decolonization is a long process. But it\u2019s one that has to be at the forefront of any conversation, whether it\u2019s communications, food sovereignty, whatever it is, that\u2019s at the root of the issue.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> We\u2019ve been speaking with Teresa Basilio Gaztambide, director of Resilient Just Technologies. Thank you so much, Teresa Basilio, for joining us this week on <b>CounterSpin<\/b>.<\/p>\n<p><b>TB:<\/b> Thank you so much for having me.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><em>Featured image: &#8220;El Desastre Es la Colonia&#8221; (The Disaster Is the Colony), graffiti, San Juan, Puerto Rico (cc photo: Lorie Shaull)<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>This piece was reprinted by <a href=\"http:\/\/rinf.com\">RINF Alternative News<\/a> with permission from <a href=\"https:\/\/fair.org\/home\/the-media-continue-to-promote-a-narrative-of-dependency\/\">FAIR<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Janine Jackson interviewed Teresa Basilio Gaztambide about communications failures in Puerto Rico for the October 12, 2018, episode of CounterSpin. This is a lightly edited transcript. 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