{"id":380439,"date":"2018-10-10T22:30:18","date_gmt":"2018-10-10T21:30:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rinf.com\/alt-news\/newswire\/weve-seen-the-total-failure-of-repressive-policies\/"},"modified":"2018-10-10T22:30:18","modified_gmt":"2018-10-10T21:30:18","slug":"weve-seen-the-total-failure-of-repressive-policies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/rinf.com\/alt-news\/newswire\/weve-seen-the-total-failure-of-repressive-policies\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018We\u2019ve Seen the Total Failure of Repressive Policies\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Janine Jackson interviewed Hannah Hetzer about Trump&#8217;s new &#8220;war on drugs&#8221; for the <a href=\"https:\/\/fair.org\/home\/hannah-hetzer-on-new-war-on-drugs-john-conroy-jamie-kalven-on-chicago-police-violence\/\">September 28, 2018, episode<\/a> of <strong>CounterSpin<\/strong>. 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So how much impact can that disconnect have?<\/p>\n<p>Hannah Hetzer is senior international policy manager at Drug Policy Alliance; she joins us now by phone from here in town. Welcome to<b> CounterSpin<\/b>, Hannah Hetzer.<\/p>\n<p><b>Hannah Hetzer:<\/b> Thank you for having me.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> As you have <a href=\"http:\/\/www.drugpolicy.org\/press-release\/2018\/09\/trump-host-un-meeting-drug-policy-promising-photo-op-countries-rally-behind\">reported<\/a>, the nature of the UN event at which this document, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.documentcloud.org\/documents\/4901223-Global-Call-to-Action-on-the-World-Drug-Problem.html#document\/p1\">Global Call to Action on the World Drug Problem<\/a> [was presented], the nature of the event is, itself, telling. The UN has its maybe Byzantine ways, but this was still special. What was the story behind this less-than-18-minute meeting?<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_8928180\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-8928180\" src=\"https:\/\/fair.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/Trump-UN-Drugs.jpeg\" alt=\"Trump speaking to the UN about his drug proposals\" width=\"350\" height=\"175\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>Donald Trump presents his &#8220;Global Call to Action on the World Drug Problem.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><b>HH:<\/b> I think, ultimately, what this was was just an attempt by Trump and his administration to have a <a href=\"https:\/\/theintercept.com\/2018\/09\/18\/un-drug-policy-trump-united-nations\/\">photo-op<\/a> where they\u2019re surrounded by other countries that look like they are giving support to the administration, and to demonstrate leadership on the drug issue without providing any real solutions both domestically and internationally.<\/p>\n<p>So Trump <a href=\"https:\/\/news.un.org\/en\/story\/2018\/09\/1020242\">hosted this high-level event<\/a> that was called the \u201cCall to Action on the World Drug Problem,\u201d where he and US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley and UN Secretary General Guterres all <a href=\"https:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/1705665025\/HJ8lQG1Eg_default\/index.html?videoId=5839359772001\">gave remarks.<\/a> At the event, Trump launched into very outdated \u201980s, \u201990s drug war rhetoric about a drug-free world, drug-free futures, about eradicating supply and the scourge of drug addiction, while Ambassador Haley just <a href=\"https:\/\/usun.state.gov\/remarks\/8630\">went on and on<\/a> praising Trump for his leadership on this issue, and saying he\u2019s ready to take this leadership worldwide.<\/p>\n<p>The event in itself, this rings so false, because Trump has demonstrated no leadership on this issue domestically. He\u2019s actually ignored the advice of scientists, advocates, people from the medical profession, about what actually works to help treat addiction and support people who use drugs and may be struggling. And has just enforced a very criminal justice-heavy approach.<\/p>\n<p>Connected to this event was a document called the <a href=\"https:\/\/usun.state.gov\/remarks\/8629\">Call to Action on the World Drug Problem<\/a>, which the <a href=\"https:\/\/usun.state.gov\/\">US Mission<\/a> circulated to other UN member states, which was a one-page document. And there are several things wrong with this document, both the way it was circulated, which was, it was given to these countries, saying, \u201cThis is not open for negotiation, it\u2019s a final document,&#8221; and if they sign, they\u2019re invited to this event with Trump and can have this photo-op with Trump.<\/p>\n<p>The UN is, as you said, very bureaucratic, but it does rest on the pillars of negotiation and consensus. So all documents are agreed upon, and other countries get to weigh in and negotiate the language.<\/p>\n<p>This just came out of nowhere, and said it was final and non-negotiable. So it\u2019s very contrary to regular UN processes, and also UN processes on drug policy, where there\u2019s several avenues for debate, and this is not one of them.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s also problems with the language of the letter. It doesn\u2019t mention key UN agencies, like development program, or it doesn\u2019t even mention development goals, the UN aides, the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. And it ignores some of the agreed-upon language in the last few years at the UN about human rights, development, key populations\u2014you know, women, children\u2014and harm-reduction strategies. It doesn\u2019t have the words \u201charm reduction<i>\u201d<\/i> in it. So there\u2019s a problem with the language of the text. There\u2019s a problem with the way it was circulated. And, ultimately, I think it was just a ploy by the administration to look like they\u2019re showing leadership on this issue.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> Yeah, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/news\/world\/americas\/us-politics\/trump-un-general-assembly-drug-policy-nikki-haley-opioid-crisis-china-mexico-a8552821.html\">non-mention of human rights<\/a> seems central, as we think about the impact that the drug war has had. But there\u2019s not just\u2014as media might lead a casual reader to think\u2014there\u2019s not just this Trump worldview of things, and then people who are only defined by their opposition to that. There is, in fact, a developed, evidence-based conversation that <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.lawenforcementactionpartnership.org\/2018\/09\/statement-trump-strongarms-struggling.html\">runs counter<\/a>, in terms of the definition of the problem, and in terms of the responses represented. And, in fact, those views, as it happens, were showcased on the very day Trump had his dog-and-pony show.<\/p>\n<p><b>HH:<\/b> That\u2019s right. It\u2019s ironic that on the day that Trump had this event, former prime ministers and heads of state that make up the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.globalcommissionondrugs.org\/\">Global Commission on Drug Policy<\/a>\u2014this is a distinguished group of world leaders, the ex-presidents of Switzerland and Greece and Colombia and Brazil, together with people like Richard Branson and, before he passed away, Kofi Annan\u2014they make up this Global Commission on Drug Policy.<\/p>\n<p>And on that very day, they were <a href=\"http:\/\/www.globalcommissionondrugs.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/2018-Report-Press-Kit-ENG.pdf\">launching<\/a> their report, that\u2019s called \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.globalcommissionondrugs.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/2018-Report-Press-Kit-ENG.pdf\">Regulation: The Responsible Control of Drugs<\/a>,\u201d where they call for an end to drug prohibition. They talk about the harms that drug prohibition has wreaked across the world, and call for taking control of drugs, through governments, responsibly.<\/p>\n<p>And this isn\u2019t coming from grassroots activists; this is coming from people who used to hold high positions of power, who you wouldn\u2019t think would necessarily be the ones presenting these very innovative, groundbreaking strategies. But they have experience, and their language is just in such stark contrast to Trump\u2019s language. They\u2019re forward-thinking. They\u2019ve seen what hasn\u2019t worked. They\u2019re calling for new approaches that do work, and for trying new things as well, while Trump just looks backwards.<\/p>\n<p>And then there\u2019s just also not a consensus within the UN member states. Unfortunately, a lot of countries signed on to this that domestically are more reform-oriented, and probably did so out of a lot of heavy diplomatic pressure from the United States. It was unfortunate that Canada signed on, even though they are ramping up their harm-reduction interventions, increasing the number of supervised consumption facilities, moving to legalize marijuana. And there are other countries that signed on to this that have much more progressive policies domestically, but probably just felt a lot of pressure from the Trump administration.<\/p>\n<p>And then there are countries that are engaging in brutal, lethal war on drugs. A good example is the Philippines, in which <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hrw.org\/news\/2018\/01\/18\/philippines-dutertes-drug-war-claims-12000-lives\">thousands of people<\/a> have been killed in this drug war, and President Trump actually has <a href=\"https:\/\/apps.washingtonpost.com\/g\/documents\/politics\/transcript-of-call-between-president-trump-and-philippine-president-duterte\/2446\/\">praised<\/a> the Philippine president for his approach. So there\u2019s a fractured consensus. There are countries that are more forward-thinking, and the US is definitely trying to regain control of the debate and take us backwards.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> Speaking of Philippine President Duterte: Donald Trump, has he not even endorsed the idea, or sort of floated the idea, of executing drug dealers in this country?<\/p>\n<p><b>HH:<\/b> That\u2019s right. It\u2019s so, I mean, it\u2019s terrifying. It\u2019s extremely worrying that not once but twice, Trump <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nbcnews.com\/politics\/donald-trump\/trump-wants-death-penalty-drug-traffickers-he-s-got-it-n858201\">has mentioned<\/a> the idea of the death penalty for people who sell drugs. It\u2019s concerning, \u00a0\u00a0when you don\u2019t see human rights language being put first and foremost. It\u2019s incredibly frightening.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> I feel like sometimes in media, the \u201chuman rights over the punitive\u201d approach is sort of set up as \u201cin this corner<i>&#8230;,\u201d<\/i> you know. But for one thing, humaneness is good. But for another, it\u2019s <i>effective<\/i>, if our goal is individual and public health and well-being. But I sometimes believe that many media conversations on this debate leave out what various parties would even define as winning. For some people, anybody who alters their consciousness in any way should be punished, period. But we don\u2019t explore that. There\u2019s fundamental debate about the framing of whether this is a health issue, or this is a <i>morality<\/i> issue, I think.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_8928436\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-8928436\" src=\"https:\/\/fair.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Hannah-Hetzer.jpg\" alt=\"Hannah Hetzer\" width=\"350\" height=\"350\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>Hannah Hetzer: &#8220;Prohibition and repression and punishment are unethical in and of themselves, but they are also inefficient. It doesn\u2019t work.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><b>HH:<\/b> That\u2019s right, I mean, we\u2019ve just seen the total failure of repressive policies. Prohibition and repression and punishment are unethical in and of themselves, but they are also inefficient. It doesn\u2019t work. And there are examples of strategies that do work, that do center public health and human rights and dignity and development. It\u2019s not just immoral. It\u2019s also inefficient.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> Domestically, too, there are things happening. In Ohio, where I understand 12 people <a href=\"http:\/\/radio.wosu.org\/post\/opioid-overdoses-killed-5200-people-ohio-during-12-month-period#stream\/0\">die each day<\/a> from accidental overdoses, there\u2019s a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harmreductionohio.org\/schedule-for-harm-reduction-conference-at-ohio-state-university-on-sept-27-28\/\">conference<\/a>, September 27 and 28, that\u2019s talking about &#8220;health-centered treatment,&#8221; that\u2019s talking about &#8220;harm-reduction,&#8221; terms \u00a0you note are missing from this Trump document. So we\u2019re having this conversation within this country as well, of these varying approaches.<\/p>\n<p><b>HH:<\/b> In localities, leaders and advocates are really being about to push through groundbreaking strategies that were almost not conceivable in this country up until now. The big example of that right now is the discussion around <a href=\"http:\/\/www.drugpolicy.org\/issues\/supervised-consumption-services\">supervised consumption facilities<\/a>, which is taking place in a number of cities around this country, and this is not a new, crazy idea globally. There are <a href=\"http:\/\/www.emcdda.europa.eu\/topics\/pods\/drug-consumption-rooms_en\">many countries<\/a> that have supervised consumption facilities, many cities, and there has never been a single overdose death in any of them. They\u2019ve been peer-reviewed. There\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pmc\/articles\/PMC5685449\/\">evidence that these work<\/a> to support people who are using drugs, that they lower the rates of infectious diseases, of overdose deaths. They\u2019re incredibly effective, and they\u2019re incredibly humane.<\/p>\n<p>And I think now we\u2019re at a point where, in desperation, a lot of cities are finally accepting the words of people who use drugs, and people who advocate for people who use drugs, to say that, \u201cThis is what we want and this is what works.\u201d And it looks like <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thenation.com\/article\/new-york-could-open-the-first-safe-injection-site-in-the-us\/\">we\u2019re going to be able to open one<\/a> in this country over the coming year, which is very exciting. But we also need to scale up other programs that have proven to work, like <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pmc\/articles\/PMC5387338\/\">syringe-exchange programs<\/a>, the availability of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.drugabuse.gov\/related-topics\/opioid-overdose-reversal-naloxone-narcan-evzio\">Naloxone<\/a>, all of these harm-reduction strategies that have worked elsewhere and here.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> Media could be playing a role in letting folks know that those things are possible and happening.<\/p>\n<p><b>HH:<\/b> Absolutely, which is why I\u2019m very thankful that you\u2019re hosting this program because, again, this is not inventing the wheel; these are proven strategies, and the more that that\u2019s presented as viable and helpful the better, and if we think about the amount of resources that we pour into prohibition and law enforcement, that could go to treatment and support and harm reduction, we would just be in a much better place.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> I don\u2019t want to close without noting the maybe most recent positive step, as we record, which is that the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.congress.gov\/bill\/115th-congress\/house-bill\/2851\/text?format=txt\">SITSA Act<\/a>, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.congress.gov\/bill\/115th-congress\/house-bill\/2851\/text?format=txt\">Stop the Importation and Trafficking of Synthetic Analogues Act of 2017<\/a>, that the House passed in [June], I understand it was <a href=\"http:\/\/www.oswegocountynewsnow.com\/congress-passes-landmark-drug-reform-package-katko-bill-left-out\/article_6a843fc6-c4e3-11e8-97b1-57a166b515b6.html\">kept out<\/a> of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.congress.gov\/bill\/115th-congress\/house-bill\/6\">final congressional bill on opioids<\/a>. So something that would have pushed things in the more punitive direction that we\u2019re talking about, it sounds like it has been halted for the moment?<\/p>\n<p><b>HH:<\/b> There are these little glimmers of hope, because I think more people are becoming more sensitized to this issue. So that is a small victory, yes.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> We\u2019ve been speaking with Hannah Hetzer, senior international policy manager at Drug Policy Alliance. You can find their work online at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.drugpolicy.org\/\">DrugPolicy.org<\/a>. Hannah Hetzer, thank you so much for joining us this week on <b>CounterSpin<\/b>.<\/p>\n<p><b>HH:<\/b> Thanks so much for having me.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"et_bloom_bottom_trigger\"><\/span><br \/>\nThis piece was reprinted by <a href=\"http:\/\/rinf.com\">RINF Alternative News<\/a> with permission from <a href=\"https:\/\/fair.org\/home\/weve-seen-the-total-failure-of-repressive-policies\/\">FAIR<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Janine Jackson interviewed Hannah Hetzer about Trump&#8217;s new &#8220;war on drugs&#8221; for the September 28, 2018, episode of CounterSpin. This is a lightly edited transcript. 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