{"id":377328,"date":"2018-09-15T01:57:52","date_gmt":"2018-09-15T00:57:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rinf.com\/alt-news\/newswire\/nothing-will-end-if-the-us-continues-to-support-saudi-arabia\/"},"modified":"2018-09-15T01:57:52","modified_gmt":"2018-09-15T00:57:52","slug":"nothing-will-end-if-the-us-continues-to-support-saudi-arabia","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/rinf.com\/alt-news\/newswire\/nothing-will-end-if-the-us-continues-to-support-saudi-arabia\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018Nothing Will End if the US Continues to Support Saudi Arabia\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Janine Jackson interviewed Shireen Al-Adeimi on Yemen reporting for the<a href=\"https:\/\/fair.org\/home\/shireen-al-adeimi-on-yemen-crisis-alyssa-peterson-on-campus-assault-rules\/\"> September 7, 2018, episode<\/a> of <strong>CounterSpin<\/strong>. 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She\u2019s<a href=\"https:\/\/www.gse.harvard.edu\/news\/ed\/18\/01\/study-skills-shireen-al-adeimi\"> been working<\/a> to bring attention to the crisis in Yemen. She\u2019s an assistant professor of education at Michigan State University. She joins us now by phone from East Lansing. Welcome back to <b>CounterSpin<\/b>, Shireen Al-Adeimi.<\/p>\n<p><b>Shireen Al-Adeimi:<\/b> Thanks for having me.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> We<a href=\"https:\/\/fair.org\/home\/this-is-very-much-a-us-saudi-war-on-yemen\/\"> spoke<\/a> with you last December, and the tolls of death, of displacement, of illness have only gotten worse since then. But today, we<a href=\"https:\/\/www.un.org\/press\/en\/2018\/sc13442.doc.htm\"> hear<\/a> maybe some conversations will be had in Geneva. In terms of bringing the war on and in Yemen to an end, what would you say has changed since we spoke last winter? I want to say I see more opposition, more acknowledgement of the US responsibility, but maybe I\u2019m just thinking wishfully.<\/p>\n<p><b>SA:<\/b> No, I think there\u2019s definitely been more awareness, first and foremost, which has prompted, in return, more opposition to the US\u2019s role specifically. I was surprised that I was turning on the channels and<a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnn.com\/2018\/08\/13\/middleeast\/yemen-children-school-bus-strike-intl\/index.html\"> watched full coverage of the bus bombing<\/a> on <b>CNN<\/b>, and that is not something that has been happening before, in any kind of consistency. And when we have had information about the war in Yemen, we have not really heard about the US&#8217;s role in the conflict, which of course is what\u2019s keeping this conflict alive.<\/p>\n<p>So I think there\u2019s been some changes there, but unfortunately it took such a drastic turn for the worst. It took the<a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/commentisfree\/2018\/aug\/25\/us-bombs-yemen-children-humanitarian-disaster\"> murder of 44 schoolchildren<\/a> on a school bus, coming back from a field trip, and they were<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nbcnews.com\/news\/world\/saudi-led-airstrike-killed-dozens-yemeni-children-could-world-have-n899546\"> bombed<\/a> by the Saudi-led coalition using American weapons, and it took for that event to finally bring some kind of attention in the media, and some kind of scrutiny about the US role, but, you know, at least here we are.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_8928028\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-8928028\" src=\"https:\/\/fair.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/MSNBC-Yemen.png\" alt=\"MSNBC: Dozens of Children Killed in School Bus Bombing in Yemen\" width=\"350\" height=\"197\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em><strong>MSNBC<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.msnbc.com\/all-in\/watch\/-we-just-bombed-a-school-bus-1296020547855?v=railb&amp;\">8\/9\/18<\/a>)<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> Yes, <b>CounterSpin<\/b> had<a href=\"https:\/\/fair.org\/home\/msnbc-yemen-russia-coverage-2017\/\"> reported<\/a> that <b>MSNBC, <\/b>which is sometimes looked to as the &#8220;resistance media,&#8221; had gone basically a year with silence on Yemen. But then<a href=\"https:\/\/www.msnbc.com\/all-in\/watch\/-we-just-bombed-a-school-bus-1296020547855?v=railb&amp;\"> there was a very affecting piece<\/a> by Chris Hayes, after that school bus attack, that did point to the role of the US, in terms of saying, &#8220;Viewers who are watching this and are upset: There is something you can do, because it is our government that is playing such a key role in supporting the Saudi coalition there.&#8221; So not just the coverage, but the acknowledgment that there\u2019s something for US citizens to do here.<\/p>\n<p><b>SA:<\/b> Exactly, and Chris Hayes had me on his podcast, where we<a href=\"https:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/podcast\/msnbc\/why-is-this-happening\/e\/56090802\"> talked<\/a> for an hour about the roots of the conflict, and specifically the US\u2019s role, so I think, again, this is encouraging, that they\u2019re not just talking about the conflict now as some far-away thing that\u2019s happening, without our support or consent. We\u2019re speaking about it as we should, which is this is a US-backed, Saudi-led conflict.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_8928029\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-8928029\" src=\"https:\/\/fair.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ITT-Trump-Yemen.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"350\" height=\"398\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em><strong>In These Times<\/strong> (<a href=\"http:\/\/inthesetimes.com\/article\/21392\/donald-trump-yemen-war-saudi-arabia-ndaa-congress-ro-khanna-civilians\">8\/20\/18<\/a>)<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> Particularly in the wake of that August 9 attack, we did hear language about protecting civilians, but talk is cheap, notoriously. You and Sarah Lazare<a href=\"http:\/\/inthesetimes.com\/article\/21392\/donald-trump-yemen-war-saudi-arabia-ndaa-congress-ro-khanna-civilians\"> reported<\/a> for <b>In These Times<\/b> on actual moves by Donald Trump, that show the real priority that he places on civilian lives. It kind of went under most media\u2019s radar. Can you tell us about that?<\/p>\n<p><b>SA:<\/b> Right. So Congress<a href=\"https:\/\/armedservices.house.gov\/sites\/republicans.armedservices.house.gov\/files\/wysiwyg_uploaded\/FY19%20NDAA%20Conference%20Summary%20.pdf\"> passed<\/a> a Defense bill for 2019, the<a href=\"https:\/\/www.congress.gov\/bill\/115th-congress\/house-bill\/5515\/text\"> NDAA<\/a>, and there were some senators and Congresspeople who had worked together to try to introduce some provisions into this Defense bill to ensure that US dollars<a href=\"http:\/\/inthesetimes.com\/article\/21361\/yemen-war-national-defense-authorization-act-bombing-civilians-saudi-arabia\"> are not spent<\/a> toward refueling the Saudi-led coalition\u2019s jets, because this is one of the main functions of the US in Yemen, trying to refuel Saudi air jets. I think the provisions were a good start. They were weak to begin with, because they included some loopholes; they mentioned that the secretary of State could just issue a waiver, and they<a href=\"https:\/\/www.theepochtimes.com\/pompeo-says-saudi-uae-trying-to-avoid-civilian-harm-in-yemen_2659663.html\"> said<\/a> that mid-air refueling can continue to occur if the Saudis and Emirates are showing that they are trying to protect civilian life; this is very vague terminology, of course. The Saudis have just repeatedly said yeah, yeah, yeah, we\u2019re not targeting civilians, and that\u2019s been enough.<\/p>\n<p>Nonetheless, there were some provisions that were there, and in his signing statement, Trump<a href=\"http:\/\/nymag.com\/daily\/intelligencer\/2018\/08\/trump-ignore-defense-bill-signing-statement.html\"> essentially said<\/a> that these infringe on his rights as president, and he would just ignore them. So what is the point, \u00a0then, of including something like this, if the president could just go on and say, \u201cWell, I\u2019ll do what I want. I can just ignore whatever provisions are there.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> Spain, I just heard,<a href=\"https:\/\/www.apnews.com\/2f2c05bbf73a486ba3e49a3f7a8f16b0\"> cancelled delivery of 400 bombs<\/a> that Saudi Arabia had bought, and they\u2019re giving their money back. It seems as though this kind of, oh, our hands are tied, all we can do is sort of vaguely wave at the idea of civilian casualties&#8230; There are concrete things that the US could be doing here, if the goal were to stop the violence.<\/p>\n<p><b>SA:<\/b> One of the things that Congress has attempted twice, once in the House and once in the Senate,<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nbcnews.com\/politics\/congress\/senate-blocks-war-powers-resolution-yemen-n858451\"> was introducing<\/a> the War Powers Resolution, which basically is a bill which says, &#8220;Let\u2019s vote on the US\u2019s presence in Yemen,&#8221; and it would be binding if Congress voted for the US to stop supporting Saudi Arabia; it would be a binding bill. The one time it was<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nbcnews.com\/politics\/congress\/senate-blocks-war-powers-resolution-yemen-n858451\"> introduced<\/a> in the Senate, by Senator Sanders, they didn\u2019t end up voting on the bill itself; they voted to table it. I think it was pretty close; 44 senators voted not to table it, but still. And when it was introduced in the House last year, it was stripped of its privileged status, which meant that it couldn\u2019t even go to a vote. There wasn\u2019t going to be a debate on it.<\/p>\n<p>But actually, right this morning, about an hour ago, members of Congress, led by Adam Smith,<a href=\"http:\/\/thehill.com\/policy\/defense\/405340-dems-plan-resolution-to-withdraw-us-forces-from-yemen-civil-war\"> have announced<\/a> that they\u2019re working toward another War Powers Resolution in September, and that they are trying to, again, get the US to end its support of the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen, acknowledging that there are all these civilian deaths, and that we are facilitating this war.<\/p>\n<p>I think I\u2019d just like to include again a message of empowerment, that this bill is being worked on now, to have people call their representatives in Congress, and urge them to support the bill.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> What thoughts do you have about the potential for the peace talks that are meant to be starting today in Geneva?<\/p>\n<p><b>SA:<\/b> It sounds like the Houthis<a href=\"https:\/\/www.apnews.com\/c26ca1c751c44277b7f85023eba96c52\"> have not arrived<\/a> yet. I read something about them not being able to secure safe return by the UN, and other things that they had said they wanted that have not been met yet. So right now, you have the Saudi-led coalition\u2019s representative, AKA the Yemeni government, in Geneva, waiting to have these talks.<\/p>\n<p>I think if the Houthis make it there, I\u2019m hopeful that this would lead to some kind of resolution, but like you said, there\u2019s been so much misinformation about this war, and I think it\u2019s intentional. There\u2019s this \u201cIran-allied\u201d vocabulary that\u2019s just now fact. It\u2019s difficult to tell people, well, Iran is not involved in this conflict, because they\u2019ve just taking it as fact. So we\u2019ll see what happens, we&#8217;ll see if people are actually serious about ending this war. Of course, nothing will end if the US continues to support the Saudi Arabians, and if Saudi Arabia continues its attack on what is a sovereign country and should be respected.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_8928025\" style=\"width: 330px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-8928025\" src=\"https:\/\/fair.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/Shireen-Al-Adeimi-Twitter-Portrait.jpg\" alt=\"Shireen Al-Adeimi\" width=\"320\" height=\"399\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>Shireen Al-Adeimi: &#8220;We\u2019re not asking for any saviors. We\u2019re asking for people to stop intervening in Yemen.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> Being portrayed in the media as a \u201chumanitarian disaster,\u201d I think can spur some people to think, \u201cOh, what we need to do is get in there, is intervene.\u201d And I know I asked you this back in December; \u00a0I just would like to underscore it; Yemenis aren\u2019t saying, \u201cPlease intervene. Please come save us.\u201d That\u2019s not the message out of Yemen.<\/p>\n<p><b>SA:<\/b> It\u2019s the complete opposite. It\u2019s that we\u2019ve only gotten to this point because of foreign intervention. This was a civil war back in 2015; it would have started as a civil war, ended as a civil war. Yemen has seen many civil wars, and we\u2019ve gone through it, and we\u2019ve continued to rebuild after that, and it\u2019s never gotten to these levels of humanitarian crises. We\u2019re talking about the world\u2019s worst humanitarian crisis. If it remained in Yemen as a civil war, the ports wouldn\u2019t have been blockaded. People wouldn\u2019t be starving. Every ten minutes, a child<a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/news\/worldviews\/wp\/2017\/04\/25\/a-child-in-yemen-dies-every-10-minutes-as-humanitarian-aid-falls-short-by-85-u-n-says\/?utm_term=.bf47be62b74b\"> dies<\/a> in Yemen from starvation and disease. And so we\u2019ve only gotten to this point because of foreign intervention. So I believe, and many Yemenis who are still fighting and resisting and waiting for all of this to be over in Yemen believe that, let Yemenis solve their own problems, and we\u2019re not asking for any saviors. We\u2019re asking for people to stop intervening in Yemen.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> We\u2019ve been speaking with Shireen Al-Adeimi, assistant professor of education at Michigan State University. Thank you so much, Shireen Al-Adeimi, for joining us this week on <b>CounterSpin<\/b>.<\/p>\n<p><b>SA:<\/b> My pleasure. Thank you for having me.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"et_bloom_bottom_trigger\"><\/span><br \/>\nThis piece was reprinted by <a href=\"http:\/\/rinf.com\">RINF Alternative News<\/a> with permission from <a href=\"https:\/\/fair.org\/home\/nothing-will-end-if-the-us-continues-to-support-saudi-arabia\/\">FAIR<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Janine Jackson interviewed Shireen Al-Adeimi on Yemen reporting for the September 7, 2018, episode of CounterSpin. This is a lightly edited transcript. 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