{"id":311843,"date":"2017-06-08T10:13:41","date_gmt":"2017-06-08T09:13:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rinf.com\/alt-news\/newswire\/we-have-revitalized-white-supremacist-thinking-in-the-mainstream\/"},"modified":"2017-06-08T10:13:41","modified_gmt":"2017-06-08T09:13:41","slug":"we-have-revitalized-white-supremacist-thinking-in-the-mainstream","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/rinf.com\/alt-news\/newswire\/we-have-revitalized-white-supremacist-thinking-in-the-mainstream\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018We Have Revitalized White Supremacist Thinking in the Mainstream\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Janine Jackson interviewed Heidi Beirich about white supremacist violence for the <a href=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/home\/heidi-beirich-on-white-supremacist-violence-maria-luisa-mendonca-on-brazils-crisis\/\">June 2, 2017, episode<\/a> of <strong>CounterSpin<\/strong>. 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Researchers said white supremacist violence was an \u201cignored threat\u201d that too often goes \u201cunder the radar.\u201d But when the <b>Washington Post<\/b> runs a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/news\/politics\/wp\/2017\/05\/30\/trumps-quick-to-tweet-about-terror-and-tv-slower-on-things-like-the-attack-in-portland\/?utm_term=.a04926b3f6c4\">headline<\/a> that says, \u201cTrump Is Quick to Tweet About Terror and TV, Slower on Things Like the Attack in Portland,\u201d it isn&#8217;t ignoring an act\u2014it&#8217;s transforming it.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cTerror\u201d is something with social significance that requires a social response. The \u201cattack in Portland\u201d\u2014in which <a href=\"https:\/\/www.splcenter.org\/hatewatch\/2017\/05\/27\/portland-stabbings-man-arrested-double-murder-after-allegedly-threatening-muslim-women-has\">two people were killed<\/a> defending two brown-skinned teen girls against a white man yelling at them to get out of his country\u2014is somehow different. It\u2019s tiresome to continue noting media double standards, how a white person who kills and attributes it to racial hatred becomes a \u201ctroubled individual\u201d; we wait for police to determine what <i>really<\/i> provoked the crime. While a Muslim attacker goes straight to page one as the face of evil, emblematic of a danger greater than themselves.<\/p>\n<p>US corporate media resist saying people like Jeremy Joseph Christian are part of something larger, beyond themselves, because that has implications. But he is\u2014so what are they? Heidi Beirich is the leader of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center. She joins us now by phone from Georgia. Welcome back to <b>CounterSpin<\/b>, Heidi Beirich.<\/p>\n<p><b>Heidi Beirich:<\/b> Thanks for having me.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> The <a href=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/home\/hate-motivated-terrorism-is-a-serious-problem-in-this-country\/\">last time<\/a> we had you on, we talked about how, when then-candidate Donald Trump was slow to disavow the Ku Klux Klan, media called it a \u201cstumble\u201d\u2014as though Trump had misspoken, or was confused about the existence of white supremacy and its role in campaigns like his own. Now Donald Trump is president, and Southern Poverty Law Center, I understand,<a href=\"https:\/\/www.splcenter.org\/fighting-hate\/intelligence-report\/2017\/trump-effect\"> tracked<\/a> some 900 attacks in his first ten days [after the election]. Well, no one thinks Trump invented right-wing extremism, but are we seeing, maybe, a new strain of an old disease?<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_5590877\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Heidi-Beirich.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-5590877\" src=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Heidi-Beirich.jpg\" alt=\"Heidi Beirich\" width=\"350\" height=\"447\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>Heidi Beirich: &#8220;When you talk about white supremacy, you\u2019ve got to take a hard look at our culture, because it is endemic, and it was here from the day this country started\u2014even before, actually.&#8221;<br \/><\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><b>HB:<\/b> Yeah, I don\u2019t think there\u2019s any question but that we are seeing a new strain of an old disease, and it was encouraged, certainly, by the Trump campaign. And the hate incidents that broke out\u2014 there\u2019s almost 900 of them, like you said, right after the election\u2014were the result of the rhetoric in the campaign. I don\u2019t think anybody nowadays thinks that you can simply bash a population like Mexicans, as Trump did, or Muslims, and not get a result that ends up in violence in some cases. And so that\u2019s the situation we find ourselves in, and we have revitalized white supremacist groups, white supremacist thinking in the mainstream. It\u2019s really been a horrible turn of events that\u2019s occurred over the last 16 months.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> I know that you are not in the business of quantifying who is more violent than whom. That\u2019s kind of a mug\u2019s game, and more a deflection from a conversation than anything. But you have suggested that white supremacy is an \u201cunusually combustible mental framework.\u201d What do you mean by that?<\/p>\n<p><b>HB:<\/b> What we find again and again, in particular with domestic terrorist acts or heinous hate crimes, like what happened in Portland, is that people exposed to white supremacy, people who suck it in, the Dylann Roofs of the world, the Jeremy Christians of the world, often go on to commit violent acts. If you just look at the list of domestic terrorist attacks, let\u2019s say since Timothy McVeigh in 1995, there\u2019s a handful that are the result of people who have radical interpretations of Islam. But the bulk of the incidents involve people who have come to view whites as superior, and who view this country as essentially undergoing a race war, and they make these violent acts, they do these things, in their minds, to save the country, in particular for white people. It\u2019s a very insidious mode of thinking that justifies things like genocide, ethnic cleansing. And so it\u2019s not surprising that we would get violence out of people who come to believe in these ideas.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> Well, if media were really concerned about domestic terror attacks per se, it seems that we would hear the name you just mentioned, Tim McVeigh, that we\u2019d be hearing that night and noon, wouldn\u2019t we, because in fact, that attack was back in 1995, but Tim McVeigh is still sort of a figure in some of these circles.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_5590876\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/McVeighFacebook.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-5590876\" src=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/McVeighFacebook.png\" alt=\"Jeremy Christian's tribute to Tim McVeigh\" width=\"350\" height=\"582\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>The Portland murder suspect&#8217;s tribute to the Oklahoma City bomber.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><b>HB<\/b>: Yeah. Look, Jeremy Christian had a poem or a tribute to McVeigh on his <b>Facebook<\/b> page. The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.splcenter.org\/hatewatch\/2017\/05\/26\/bomb-supplies-guns-found-scene-double-homicide\">cell of neo-Nazis<\/a> which ended up with internecine battles and two men killed that was in Tampa a week and a half ago, they had a picture of McVeigh in their office. And people seem to have forgotten, some sort of amnesia after the 9\/11 attacks, which of course were horrific, but up to that point, McVeigh\u2019s bombing in Oklahoma City was the largest loss of life ever in a domestic terrorist incident. Some 180-plus people were killed, including children.<\/p>\n<p>And after 9\/11, it was as though\u2014this type of terrorism of course continued to occur, but it was though it didn\u2019t matter, right? All the focus was on the Muslim community, on radical interpretations of Islam, and there was just a reluctance to understand that terrorism comes in more than one form. And of course it\u2019s much easier to point the finger abroad or to a community that you can easily \u201cother\u201d and say is not part of \u201cus\u201d\u2014meaning, in recent years, the Muslim community. When you talk about white supremacy, you\u2019ve got to take a hard look at our culture, because it is endemic, and it was here from the day this country started\u2014even before, actually, with English settlers and so on. And there just seems constantly to be a reluctance to treat that kind of terrorism\u2014and hate crimes, I might add\u2014as seriously as what is influenced by groups like ISIS or Al Qaeda.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> Well, let me ask you: State officials, and the media following their lead, were hesitant to describe massacres in Rwanda as genocide, partly because such terms track national interest, so-called, who\u2019s a friend and who\u2019s an enemy, and partly because the term carried implications, it carried responsibilities, and it called for action. I wonder, what would it mean to recognize, not that white hate violence happens\u2014you know, that moment of discovery should be long over\u2014what would it mean to recognize it as terroristic? What would be the next phase after we see it?<\/p>\n<p><b>HB:<\/b> If people were to come to that position, government officials in particular, right, then it becomes a policy problem, and one that needs to be addressed. Then we might come to think that more resources should be put at combating this kind of terrorism, and not all the focus always be on the Muslim community.<\/p>\n<p>We would probably strengthen our hate crime laws, which are just all over the map. There are large classes of people, depending on what state you\u2019re in, that are not protected. My home state of Alabama, the LGBT community has no protections. There\u2019s no mandatory reporting.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, the Department of Justice itself says the number of hate crimes\u2014this is based on survey data\u2014is about 250,000 a year in the US, and the FBI only reports like 5,000. That gap right there, between 250,000 and 5,000, shows you how little we seem to care about this issue. And, you know, when it comes to the Trump administration, they can barely get it out of their mouths to condemn these acts of violence.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> And, of course, it isn\u2019t just what Trump is not saying, and what signals he\u2019s sending with that. There is also, as you\u2019ve just noted, resource expenditures. In that light, I wonder if you could explain what I understand is happening with the Countering Violent Extremism program. It seems to reflect this White House\u2019s priorities.<\/p>\n<p><b>HB:<\/b> Well, it absolutely does. In the latter years of the Obama administration, they changed Countering Violent Extremism programs, which are basically\u2014a lot of it\u2019s school counseling, children\u2019s programs, things that can help keep people from falling into the hands of extremists.<\/p>\n<p>And they changed these programs to not just focus on the Muslim community, but to also support groups that were trying to get people out of white supremacy. So there were a bunch of grants awarded, late in the Obama administration, to do this work, but the checks hadn\u2019t been signed.<\/p>\n<p>But then, after Trump\u2019s win, it was crickets. And our understanding, from leaked reports, is that in Trump\u2019s view, it should be countering violent Islam, not countering violent extremism. And it shows, once again, the Trump administration doesn\u2019t seem to care about hate crimes against people of color, but they also seem to ridiculously think that terrorism can\u2019t have a white face, right, that it\u2019s all coming from ISIS and whatnot, and it\u2019s just false. So at this point we\u2019re going to have policies put in place that act like McVeigh didn\u2019t exist.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> I know that you don\u2019t support censorship as the way forward. I wonder, what are some of the positive actions that you see when you look around that seem to you useful\u2014not just that make us feel better, and I\u2019m not opposed to feeling better, but that seem to you useful in resisting, or in speaking back to white supremacist violence?<\/p>\n<p><b>HB:<\/b> Sure. Well, I think in Portland, for example, there was a really positive rally with some 600 people that involved an Islamic center there, where people in the city said, we do not support this guy, right, and the kind of hate violence we\u2019ve just seen. We\u2019re seeing things like that across the country. We also have a lot of mayors and states taking positive moves on creating hate crimes units, taking hate crime issues more seriously, investing in that, creating welcoming communities. These things are really, really important. And although the Trump administration might not care about this, down the road, somebody will.<\/p>\n<p>And so that\u2019s sort of the best of America. And hopefully sometime shortly, we\u2019ll have a different election outcome, and that will be allowed to flourish, not just at the state and local level, but for the whole country.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> And any thoughts on media? When I was booking you, I said I knew you\u2019d be very busy, and I\u2019m sorry for that, in a way. I think that US reporters should have a deep bench right now on white supremacist violence. It shouldn\u2019t be a concept that sort of springs up anew, and then is forced on them and they need to look into it. It really is, of course, as a story, something that could keep a journalist busy every day.<\/p>\n<p><b>HB:<\/b> Sure. Well, I have to say, given the state of the media, where there\u2019s been high turnover in newsrooms and new people coming in, that a lot of folks don\u2019t really have this more historical perspective on white supremacy, let alone to the 1990s. But we\u2019ve got to remember, it\u2019s only the mid \u201860s when we dismantled the legal framework that kept segregation, Jim Crow and black oppression in place. So we are not that far from having written in law that black people should be treated worse than white people.<\/p>\n<p>And so I think that nowadays, if you\u2019re involved in covering American politics, you have got to know the history of the civil rights movement, and something about American history, and you need to know the violence that has been coming out of groups like the Ku Klux Klan, and others inspired by hate ideas, almost since the founding of the country to today, and it&#8217;s sort of a fundamental thing to know about.<\/p>\n<p>I am somewhat happy, because I\u2019ve seen in certain newsrooms more specialization on these issues, largely in response to the Trump campaign, because they keep coming up, and because there\u2019s so much domestic terrorism, but we could use more expertise in the media ranks about these issues.<\/p>\n<p><b>JJ:<\/b> We\u2019ve been speaking with Heidi Beirich of Southern Poverty Law Center\u2019s Intelligence Project, which publishes the <b>Intelligence Report<\/b> and the <b>Hatewatch<\/b> blog. Find them online at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.splcenter.org\/\">SPLCenter.org<\/a>. Heidi Beirich, thank you so much for joining us this week on <b>CounterSpin<\/b>.<\/p>\n<p><b>HB:<\/b> Thanks for having me.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"et_bloom_bottom_trigger\"><\/span><br \/>\nThis piece was reprinted by <a href=\"http:\/\/rinf.com\">RINF Alternative News<\/a> with permission from <a href=\"http:\/\/fair.org\/home\/we-have-revitalized-white-supremacist-thinking-in-the-mainstream\/\">FAIR<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Janine Jackson interviewed Heidi Beirich about white supremacist violence for the June 2, 2017, episode of CounterSpin. This is a lightly edited transcript. Play Stop pop out X MP3jPLAYLISTS.MI_2 = [ { name: &#8220;1. 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