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		<title>By: V</title>
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		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has AIG; the US Mafia, CIA, paid Gatekeepers all got in common? There could be more to 911 than meets the eye!


Could a little nugget from a former insider help us unravel that web of deceit which is the official 911 hogwash? 

 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6546044203900048624&#38;hl=en</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has AIG; the US Mafia, CIA, paid Gatekeepers all got in common? There could be more to 911 than meets the eye!</p>
<p>Could a little nugget from a former insider help us unravel that web of deceit which is the official 911 hogwash? </p>
<p> <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6546044203900048624&amp;hl=en" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6546044203900048624&amp;hl=en</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mick Meaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick Meaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notes from the Borderland is a magazine, not a video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notes from the Borderland is a magazine, not a video.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
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		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to ask Albert for the vid last night at New Horizons. Can you possibly post the film on RINF somewhere and pass on the link perhaps?

The exposing of current crimes against humanity and injustice is precisely why I do what I do.  We all do things our own way and debate is very healthy.

Indeed, even those who hark on about Lizards and so on, whist it does not help gather more public support, in fact I would say probably makes more people even more confused and distrustful of the "Truth movement"  -  there are elements of Science Fact ie. mammals are evolved dinosaurs. LOL.   

Indeed if you go far enough back, Animals are evolved Plants. LOL.

We in fact do have 33%  Banana DNA - and at birth for the first few weeks Lizard zygotes and Human Zygotes are visibly indistinguishable, even to the point that we have a tail.

So from that scientific stand point I can understand were a lot of this stuff comes from.

The point is that it Confuses the message, and confuses the politics and basically makes the political job 10 times harder, and because of that, such hypothesis should be  discussed privately.

So my stance is by all means discus every hypothesis and try and map those onto the available evidence, but there is a time and place for everything and a certain level of political discipline is essential so as to maintain a level of public acceptance and respectful credibility.

Hey, but that is just my humble opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to ask Albert for the vid last night at New Horizons. Can you possibly post the film on RINF somewhere and pass on the link perhaps?</p>
<p>The exposing of current crimes against humanity and injustice is precisely why I do what I do.  We all do things our own way and debate is very healthy.</p>
<p>Indeed, even those who hark on about Lizards and so on, whist it does not help gather more public support, in fact I would say probably makes more people even more confused and distrustful of the &#8220;Truth movement&#8221;  -  there are elements of Science Fact ie. mammals are evolved dinosaurs. LOL.   </p>
<p>Indeed if you go far enough back, Animals are evolved Plants. LOL.</p>
<p>We in fact do have 33%  Banana DNA - and at birth for the first few weeks Lizard zygotes and Human Zygotes are visibly indistinguishable, even to the point that we have a tail.</p>
<p>So from that scientific stand point I can understand were a lot of this stuff comes from.</p>
<p>The point is that it Confuses the message, and confuses the politics and basically makes the political job 10 times harder, and because of that, such hypothesis should be  discussed privately.</p>
<p>So my stance is by all means discus every hypothesis and try and map those onto the available evidence, but there is a time and place for everything and a certain level of political discipline is essential so as to maintain a level of public acceptance and respectful credibility.</p>
<p>Hey, but that is just my humble opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Meaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick Meaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's a tricky one I know. At first I suspected them both for quiet a while, then got to know Annie a little and began to change my mind a bit, then Shayler went doolally while anti-semitism was allowed to run rife in 'the campaign', so we're back to square one. What else are you left to think when you see an issue that could have once packed a bit of political weight become little more than a joke under their watch.

With that said, I think that by focusing on what divides us instead of what unites us, we are playing directly into the hands of MI5.

It's alright to disagree, probably very healthy in fact, but we could spend years debating it instead of exposing current crimes against humanity and injustices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a tricky one I know. At first I suspected them both for quiet a while, then got to know Annie a little and began to change my mind a bit, then Shayler went doolally while anti-semitism was allowed to run rife in &#8216;the campaign&#8217;, so we&#8217;re back to square one. What else are you left to think when you see an issue that could have once packed a bit of political weight become little more than a joke under their watch.</p>
<p>With that said, I think that by focusing on what divides us instead of what unites us, we are playing directly into the hands of MI5.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s alright to disagree, probably very healthy in fact, but we could spend years debating it instead of exposing current crimes against humanity and injustices.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
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		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will email and check it out, cheers.


If there is good conclusive material to back up the double spook hypothesis I want it please.


And I agree, absence of evidence on-line is not evidence of absence.  For all we know she could have given him the hard question to punish him for leaking the downing street memo, knowing full well he would not have answered that particular question anyway.

Its a dirty old game this spying lark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will email and check it out, cheers.</p>
<p>If there is good conclusive material to back up the double spook hypothesis I want it please.</p>
<p>And I agree, absence of evidence on-line is not evidence of absence.  For all we know she could have given him the hard question to punish him for leaking the downing street memo, knowing full well he would not have answered that particular question anyway.</p>
<p>Its a dirty old game this spying lark.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Meaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick Meaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just ask Albert if you can borrow the copy of NFB I gave him, it's got plenty of info in there... just cause it isn't online doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Hell man I'll buy you a copy if you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just ask Albert if you can borrow the copy of NFB I gave him, it&#8217;s got plenty of info in there&#8230; just cause it isn&#8217;t online doesn&#8217;t mean it doesn&#8217;t exist. Hell man I&#8217;ll buy you a copy if you want.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
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		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the best Evidence I found and it too is just weak and feeble opinion:

Quote:

PaulStott 

Anarchist Gatekeeper
	  	

If you see Annie Machon's new website, she now seems to be distancing herself from 9/11 'truth' and reverting to her earlier position as an informed commentator on security issues.

http://www.anniemachon.com/

See her blog articles in particular.

9/11 Cultwatch always said she and Shayler's commitment to 9/11 'truth' was shallow and inconsistent.

He has left the movement causing it maximum possible damage, she has pushed it in the direction of looking 'beyond 9/11' (e.g. the Make Wars History campaign) but constitutionally looking to bring the UK and Ireland 9/11 Truth Movement to a close.

A few of the truthers who gave us such hysterical abuse for questioning Machon and Shayler's credentials, may now be having second thoughts about what their campaigns have actually gained from the gruesome twosome's involvement.

End of Quote


So far I have seen at best circumstantial heresy, not Hard EVIDENCE.


As such I conclude the following (reviews pending):-


Without reading yet more heresy, diatribe, personal opinion, political bias and propaganda, the matter as to IF the two spooks are Truth Spooks or otherwise remains an open question yet to be answered, however, to date the evidence would suggest at public meetings the spooks do appear to ask some difficult questions which clearly make those in authority nervous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the best Evidence I found and it too is just weak and feeble opinion:</p>
<p>Quote:</p>
<p>PaulStott </p>
<p>Anarchist Gatekeeper</p>
<p>If you see Annie Machon&#8217;s new website, she now seems to be distancing herself from 9/11 &#8216;truth&#8217; and reverting to her earlier position as an informed commentator on security issues.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anniemachon.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.anniemachon.com/</a></p>
<p>See her blog articles in particular.</p>
<p>9/11 Cultwatch always said she and Shayler&#8217;s commitment to 9/11 &#8216;truth&#8217; was shallow and inconsistent.</p>
<p>He has left the movement causing it maximum possible damage, she has pushed it in the direction of looking &#8216;beyond 9/11&#8242; (e.g. the Make Wars History campaign) but constitutionally looking to bring the UK and Ireland 9/11 Truth Movement to a close.</p>
<p>A few of the truthers who gave us such hysterical abuse for questioning Machon and Shayler&#8217;s credentials, may now be having second thoughts about what their campaigns have actually gained from the gruesome twosome&#8217;s involvement.</p>
<p>End of Quote</p>
<p>So far I have seen at best circumstantial heresy, not Hard EVIDENCE.</p>
<p>As such I conclude the following (reviews pending):-</p>
<p>Without reading yet more heresy, diatribe, personal opinion, political bias and propaganda, the matter as to IF the two spooks are Truth Spooks or otherwise remains an open question yet to be answered, however, to date the evidence would suggest at public meetings the spooks do appear to ask some difficult questions which clearly make those in authority nervous.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Meaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick Meaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So which parts are false?

You need to pay attention to the following:

"If you wanted to infiltrate a movement and destroy it, how would you do it? I would allow questionable ethics to run riot, maybe turn a blind eye to racism ... maybe even give the racists prominent postions in the movement, I would tolerate abuse towards members of the public and also people in the public eye and then praise the "activists" for their efforts, I would welcome in those with the craziest of ideas and put them in a position of influence, I would travel the country visiting each group and gather a contact list of activists in the area .

".. and just to make sure everyone knows exactly how crazy we are, I would eventually state on national TV and across the mainstream press that I am God.

"911 cultwatch has been warning the truthers about this for years."

"You have just wittnessed a rule and divide operation."

Is that a lie? Think about it. Just use your brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So which parts are false?</p>
<p>You need to pay attention to the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;If you wanted to infiltrate a movement and destroy it, how would you do it? I would allow questionable ethics to run riot, maybe turn a blind eye to racism &#8230; maybe even give the racists prominent postions in the movement, I would tolerate abuse towards members of the public and also people in the public eye and then praise the &#8220;activists&#8221; for their efforts, I would welcome in those with the craziest of ideas and put them in a position of influence, I would travel the country visiting each group and gather a contact list of activists in the area .</p>
<p>&#8220;.. and just to make sure everyone knows exactly how crazy we are, I would eventually state on national TV and across the mainstream press that I am God.</p>
<p>&#8220;911 cultwatch has been warning the truthers about this for years.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You have just wittnessed a rule and divide operation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is that a lie? Think about it. Just use your brain.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
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		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MM,


Absolutely NO EVIDENCE there what so Ever, it was all heresy and opinion.

Is there anybody else with any HARD EVIDENCE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM,</p>
<p>Absolutely NO EVIDENCE there what so Ever, it was all heresy and opinion.</p>
<p>Is there anybody else with any HARD EVIDENCE?</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Meaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick Meaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh.

I asked you to read it ALL.. see that long grey thing on the side of the screen? It's called a "scroll bar" anyways, here's a pretty accurate description of what happened once Shalyer got involved.
http://forums.rinf.com/showpost.php?p=2690&#038;postcount=13

Seriously, if you can't see how the most insane theories and racism were not only welcomed but encouraged in the truth movement, you're either lying or were not involved.

Also I suggest you get yourself a few back issues of 'Notes From The Borderland'.. it's not on the Internet as a download and it involves the actual turning of pages (not clicking) so bewarned, it might be a tricky concept to get your head round at first, but please, stick with it and you'll get some valuable information from it.

Oh and I don't think there's a Youtube version either. Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh.</p>
<p>I asked you to read it ALL.. see that long grey thing on the side of the screen? It&#8217;s called a &#8220;scroll bar&#8221; anyways, here&#8217;s a pretty accurate description of what happened once Shalyer got involved.<br />
<a href="http://forums.rinf.com/showpost.php?p=2690&#038;postcount=13" rel="nofollow">http://forums.rinf.com/showpost.php?p=2690&#038;postcount=13</a></p>
<p>Seriously, if you can&#8217;t see how the most insane theories and racism were not only welcomed but encouraged in the truth movement, you&#8217;re either lying or were not involved.</p>
<p>Also I suggest you get yourself a few back issues of &#8216;Notes From The Borderland&#8217;.. it&#8217;s not on the Internet as a download and it involves the actual turning of pages (not clicking) so bewarned, it might be a tricky concept to get your head round at first, but please, stick with it and you&#8217;ll get some valuable information from it.</p>
<p>Oh and I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a Youtube version either. Oh well.</p>
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