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CCTV cameras can now watch you in the toilet

Saturday, June 16th, 2007

No, it’s not a joke and is possibly the lowest the surveillance society can go.

Unbelievably, at least three British pubs are using CCTV cameras in their loos - and the number is growing as a national chain has plans to install more cameras around the country.

Currently the pubs include two in Croydon, the Ship of Fools and The Skylark, along with The King James, a J D Wetherspoon’s in Hertfordshire.

This is a microcosm of what is happening all over the UK as Britain increasingly becomes a Big Brother state though government propaganda and scare tactics to convince us that we need protecting from terrorism, criminals and … ourselves.

27-year old manager of the Skylark, Kim McKay, said: “Unfortunately, there is a lot of drug use among youngsters today.

“It’s a good idea. I know people think it invades their privacy, but the cameras are situated so we only see what we need to see.

“We have had a lot of comments from regulars. They don’t like it, which is understandable, but they do understand why it’s there.”

However the pub has lowered the height of cubicle doors so that people’s faces can be seen as they come out, resulting in the invasion of privacy at the most inappropriate of levels.

These new measures are tasteless, indecent and lack common moral decency.

A spokesman for J D Wetherspoon had this to say: “There are cameras in the ladies and gents toilets at the pub in Cheshunt and at a number of other pubs.

“They are to keep an eye on any potential vandalism and general behaviour. The reason we do it is just for safety and to stop any problems. Others might disagree with the cameras being placed there but they will be staying. It is up to individual managers if they feel a need for them. It’s not a slur on the town.”

J D Wetherspoons is a nationwide chain of pubs, quiet often reffered to as “McPubs”, because they have no individuality. The fact these CCTV cameras will be used in all Wetherspoons is inevitable, spurring on other businesses to do the same in a game of surveillance catch-up.

One Wetherspoons regular, Ozzy Davies, of Hertfordshire, said: “As a family pub, I would have concerns that a woman struggling to cope with small children in the toilets may leave the door open presumably so she can keep an eye on the kids.

“The manager’s explanation was that it was put there to watch out for acts of vandalism and was not pointed directly at the urinals but there are numerous mirrors where a reflected image could possibly be seen. Even more disturbing was that mine was apparently the only complaint.”

This follows on from the installation of a pub fingerprint network in the UK which costs licensees just £1.50 a day to run, encouraging widespread growth and can be integrated with existing CCTV systems to check the identity of punters.

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22 Responses to “CCTV cameras can now watch you in the toilet”

Tony Jackson
Posted: Aug 28th, 2008 at 10:44 am

Cameras WILL be put in our toilets in the next week or so. Sick of drugs, vandals and bullys.

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Cult KILL
Posted: Aug 28th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

911 Cult Watch will save us!

Go to THE “911 Cult Watch” website and learn how the TRUTH movement are misguided fools and how every TROO000FER is a nut job and have not got a clue what is really going on.

OK so the TROOFERS were warning about the CCTV/Database state and the ID card scam and the food shortages and everything else which is now going on.

They are still NUT JOBS, they just got lucky!

So they may have umpteen Physicists and Engineers and what have you, and “911 Cult Watch” does not have a single one. But hey, they are all conspiracy theorists right, wackos, fruit cakes and Cult members. LOL

Don’t listen to the Physicists and Engineers, listen to the “Watchers”

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Paul Stott
Posted: Aug 28th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

What at idiotic post Cult Kill.

If you think 9/11 ‘truth’ can help us fight the database state, you really are as big a fool as your post suggests.

The state would love to pigeon hole everyone who opposes their authoritarian agenda as a conspiracy fruitcake - and guys like you seem determined to help them to do it.

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Cult KiLL
Posted: Aug 28th, 2008 at 10:27 pm

I enjoy my 911 Cult status by regularly stripping off and dancing around a large tree in the front garden, we get lots of locals complaining but they know we are mad and simply have not got a clue, so they just ignore us completely.

Indeed, the dumb trooooofers have not woken 1/2 the world to what is going on, it was “911 Cult Watch” WOT done it.

While we were too stupid and idiotic - they, the “911 Cult Watchers” watched, and watched , and watched and it was this watching which woke up the critical mass.

I’m off to another “Cult” activity now, we are going to chant weird stuff from Books whilst watching the latest version of “zero an investigation into 911″ on Google Video.

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V
Posted: Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

Paul Stott

Do you use DRUGS? please confess!

And also, here is clear EVIDENCE former MI5 officers David Shayler and Annie Machon are good guys:

“War Criminal” Ex-MI6 Head Dearlove Confronted by ‘We Are Change’

http://www.livevideo.com/video/1E8F485B900C44498E90AD06E7088446/-war-criminal-ex-mi6-head-dea.aspx

Does anyone have any HARD EVIDENCE to contradict this evidence?

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Mick Meaney
Posted: Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:31 pm

Those infiltrating a movement will of course do SOME decent things (to fool the majority of supporters). However the actions of Shayler/Machon/WAC have directly harmed the causes they claimed to be supporting.

If you want hard evidence all you need do is look at what these guys have been putting all over the Internet and the negative reaction they have received from the left. Obviously most ain’t as stupid as Shayler/Machon/WAC believe them to be.

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V
Posted: Aug 30th, 2008 at 12:37 am

OK, so we know they do some good things, the question now is WHY?

Option 001: Are they still “their spooks” and have to do stuff which befrends themselves to memebers of the Truth movement?

Option 002: Are they now “our spooks” and are genuine?

My take is (and I remain open minded) - although some damage has been done(David being the messenger, etc.), on balance the two have done more good than harm. So far.

They are not going to undermine anything of significance because they will always be suspected of being double spooks by everyone.

And anything which keeps the hard left and hard right on their toes and confused has got to be a very good thing.

So, I ask again: please present the links to particular clear evidence.

If I was MI6 and MI5 I would fake up stuff right?. Put stuff out and say it was them WOT done it. So, can anybody point to Absolutely CLEER EVIDECE that these guys are not “OUR SPOOKS”?

please.

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Louise
Posted: Aug 30th, 2008 at 1:03 am

I just read the last comment and then re-read the article.

What has Machon/Shayler (aka ‘Messiah’) got to do with CCTV in toilets?

Back to article…

I don’t like the idea of this and would certainly like to be told if a loo I’m using is monitored or not. Then I can make the decision on what to do.

I do sympathise with pub landlords trying to do their best, just not sure this is the best option.

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Mick Meaney
Posted: Aug 30th, 2008 at 1:05 am

Read this V (all of it) http://forums.rinf.com/showthread.php?t=989&page=2

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V
Posted: Aug 30th, 2008 at 1:40 am

L L

Yeh, I like to pee free from observation too. Except when I do 911 Cult Cross Dressing on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. (Perhaps this is too much information) BUT, We often do weird (MAD)CULT like rituals in the loos then sell the videos on Ebay to other Cult members. LOL

The link is, Paul Stott, has put it out that the two spooks are double spooks, so, seeing as he has put a link here he is being confronted head on to either put forward EVIDENCE or NOT put forward EVIDENCE.

Many thanks, I will take a look at this Evidence and see were it appears to lead.

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V
Posted: Aug 30th, 2008 at 1:52 am

Have I got the correct page for the EVIDENCE?

It starts:

Sammy (the Fish) says:

With respect to you Maasanova, have you seen the UK troofers in action?

They have a well deserved repuation of being racist, homophobic and highly aggressive. I’m sure you’re aware of the 7/7 attacks in London, they harrased a survivor called Rachel North. They even harrased her family and work place. So much so that she threatened legal action against them.

Then we have Jon Ronson, who asked one question on their forum and was met with a barrage of insults because he is Jewish.

They have publicly attacked George Monbiot, a peace activist and journalist likewise with Nick Cohen.

They have attempted to derail StWC meetings.

They support and protect Holocaust denier Nick Kollerstrom who hit the headlines recently.

They have invaded football matches, what better way to ensure nobody respects your message? How depraved a publicity stunt.

They have even REQUESTED to be arrested just so they can film it for Youtube, while at the same time Brian Haw had been brutally beaten up by police for his peaceful protest. This was seen as nothing more than a distraction tactic by the majority of the British left. They made a complete mockery of how Brian Haw is all too often treated by the police.

Need I go on? I can you know, there’s A LOT of despicable behaviour from these so called truth seekers.

If anything these people have destroyed any credibility the truth movement once had.

You will notice that not one of them will attempt to defend their actions here, because they cannot. They know what they have done.

Last edited by Sammy; 07-14-2008 at 03:08 AM.

End of first section of EVIDENCE.

You are serious right? is this the Evidence?

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Mick Meaney
Posted: Aug 30th, 2008 at 2:03 am

Ugh.

I asked you to read it ALL.. see that long grey thing on the side of the screen? It’s called a “scroll bar” anyways, here’s a pretty accurate description of what happened once Shalyer got involved.
http://forums.rinf.com/showpost.php?p=2690&postcount=13

Seriously, if you can’t see how the most insane theories and racism were not only welcomed but encouraged in the truth movement, you’re either lying or were not involved.

Also I suggest you get yourself a few back issues of ‘Notes From The Borderland’.. it’s not on the Internet as a download and it involves the actual turning of pages (not clicking) so bewarned, it might be a tricky concept to get your head round at first, but please, stick with it and you’ll get some valuable information from it.

Oh and I don’t think there’s a Youtube version either. Oh well.

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V
Posted: Aug 30th, 2008 at 2:06 am

MM,

Absolutely NO EVIDENCE there what so Ever, it was all heresy and opinion.

Is there anybody else with any HARD EVIDENCE?

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Mick Meaney
Posted: Aug 30th, 2008 at 2:18 am

So which parts are false?

You need to pay attention to the following:

“If you wanted to infiltrate a movement and destroy it, how would you do it? I would allow questionable ethics to run riot, maybe turn a blind eye to racism … maybe even give the racists prominent postions in the movement, I would tolerate abuse towards members of the public and also people in the public eye and then praise the “activists” for their efforts, I would welcome in those with the craziest of ideas and put them in a position of influence, I would travel the country visiting each group and gather a contact list of activists in the area .

“.. and just to make sure everyone knows exactly how crazy we are, I would eventually state on national TV and across the mainstream press that I am God.

“911 cultwatch has been warning the truthers about this for years.”

“You have just wittnessed a rule and divide operation.”

Is that a lie? Think about it. Just use your brain.

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V
Posted: Aug 30th, 2008 at 2:23 am

Here is the best Evidence I found and it too is just weak and feeble opinion:

Quote:

PaulStott

Anarchist Gatekeeper

If you see Annie Machon’s new website, she now seems to be distancing herself from 9/11 ‘truth’ and reverting to her earlier position as an informed commentator on security issues.

http://www.anniemachon.com/

See her blog articles in particular.

9/11 Cultwatch always said she and Shayler’s commitment to 9/11 ‘truth’ was shallow and inconsistent.

He has left the movement causing it maximum possible damage, she has pushed it in the direction of looking ‘beyond 9/11′ (e.g. the Make Wars History campaign) but constitutionally looking to bring the UK and Ireland 9/11 Truth Movement to a close.

A few of the truthers who gave us such hysterical abuse for questioning Machon and Shayler’s credentials, may now be having second thoughts about what their campaigns have actually gained from the gruesome twosome’s involvement.

End of Quote

So far I have seen at best circumstantial heresy, not Hard EVIDENCE.

As such I conclude the following (reviews pending):-

Without reading yet more heresy, diatribe, personal opinion, political bias and propaganda, the matter as to IF the two spooks are Truth Spooks or otherwise remains an open question yet to be answered, however, to date the evidence would suggest at public meetings the spooks do appear to ask some difficult questions which clearly make those in authority nervous.

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Mick Meaney
Posted: Aug 30th, 2008 at 2:28 am

Just ask Albert if you can borrow the copy of NFB I gave him, it’s got plenty of info in there… just cause it isn’t online doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Hell man I’ll buy you a copy if you want.

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V
Posted: Aug 30th, 2008 at 2:39 am

I will email and check it out, cheers.

If there is good conclusive material to back up the double spook hypothesis I want it please.

And I agree, absence of evidence on-line is not evidence of absence. For all we know she could have given him the hard question to punish him for leaking the downing street memo, knowing full well he would not have answered that particular question anyway.

Its a dirty old game this spying lark.

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Mick Meaney
Posted: Aug 30th, 2008 at 4:23 am

It’s a tricky one I know. At first I suspected them both for quiet a while, then got to know Annie a little and began to change my mind a bit, then Shayler went doolally while anti-semitism was allowed to run rife in ‘the campaign’, so we’re back to square one. What else are you left to think when you see an issue that could have once packed a bit of political weight become little more than a joke under their watch.

With that said, I think that by focusing on what divides us instead of what unites us, we are playing directly into the hands of MI5.

It’s alright to disagree, probably very healthy in fact, but we could spend years debating it instead of exposing current crimes against humanity and injustices.

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V
Posted: Sep 9th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

I forgot to ask Albert for the vid last night at New Horizons. Can you possibly post the film on RINF somewhere and pass on the link perhaps?

The exposing of current crimes against humanity and injustice is precisely why I do what I do. We all do things our own way and debate is very healthy.

Indeed, even those who hark on about Lizards and so on, whist it does not help gather more public support, in fact I would say probably makes more people even more confused and distrustful of the “Truth movement” - there are elements of Science Fact ie. mammals are evolved dinosaurs. LOL.

Indeed if you go far enough back, Animals are evolved Plants. LOL.

We in fact do have 33% Banana DNA - and at birth for the first few weeks Lizard zygotes and Human Zygotes are visibly indistinguishable, even to the point that we have a tail.

So from that scientific stand point I can understand were a lot of this stuff comes from.

The point is that it Confuses the message, and confuses the politics and basically makes the political job 10 times harder, and because of that, such hypothesis should be discussed privately.

So my stance is by all means discus every hypothesis and try and map those onto the available evidence, but there is a time and place for everything and a certain level of political discipline is essential so as to maintain a level of public acceptance and respectful credibility.

Hey, but that is just my humble opinion.

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Mick Meaney
Posted: Sep 9th, 2008 at 9:10 pm

Notes from the Borderland is a magazine, not a video.

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V
Posted: Sep 21st, 2008 at 3:08 pm

What has AIG; the US Mafia, CIA, paid Gatekeepers all got in common? There could be more to 911 than meets the eye!

Could a little nugget from a former insider help us unravel that web of deceit which is the official 911 hogwash?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6546044203900048624&hl=en

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paige &louise
Posted: Aug 17th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

me and louise think this is absootlty not legal because especaily in gents will they are trying to do the loo and cameras on them and private areas on the body this is extreamly bad that is what my hole 50 people in my family and friends said and more this is not legal are choice is do NOT do this it is like you going into a toilet and watching them pee this is bad

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