Seymour Hersh Cracks ‘RussiaGate’ as CIA-Planted Lie — Revenge Against Trump


Eric Zuesse

This report has now been updated to August 6th:

During the later portion of a phone-call, by the world’s greatest investigative journalist, Seymour Hersh, Hersh has now presented “a narrative [from his investigation] of how that whole fucking thing began,” including who actually is behind the ‘RussiaGate’ lies, and of why they are spreading these lies.

In a youtube video upload-dated August 1st, he reveals from his inside FBI and Washington DC Police Department sources — now, long before the Justice Department’s Special Counsel Robert Mueller will be presenting his official ‘findings’ to the nation — that the charges that Russia had anything to do with the leaks from the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign to Wikileaks, that those charges spread by the press, were a CIA-planted lie, and that what Wikileaks had gotten was only leaks (including at least one from the murdered DNC-staffer Seth Rich), and were not from any outsider (including ’the Russians’), but that Rich didn’t get killed for that, but was instead shot in the back during a brutal robbery, which occurred in the high-crime DC neighborhood where he lived. Here is the video, and here is the transcript of it:

I’ll tell you what I know:

(Mumble) comes off an FBI report, don’t ask me how, I can figure out, I’ve been around long enough:

The kid gets — I don’t think he was murdered [because of this] I don’t think he was murdered because of what he knew, the kid was a nice boy, 27, he was not an ITS person, he learned stuff, he was a data-programmer, but he learned stuff, and so he was living on one street, somewhere, he was living in a very rough neighborhood, and in the exact area where he lived, there had been about, I am sure you know, there had been about 8 or 9 or 10, violent robberies, most of them with somebody brandishing a gun [here are the neighborhood’s crime-statistics as “Colombia Heights,” and here as “Bloomingdale,” which is nearby; and in the latter neighborhood, there had been, for examples, robberies using a gun on June 17, 19, and 21, of 2017], and I am sure you know, his [the kid’s] hands were marked up, the cops concluded [HERSH HAD OBTAINED ACCESS TO THE POLICE REPORT] he fought off the people, he tried to run, and they shot him twice in the back with a 22, small-caliber, and then the kid that did it ran, he got scared. So, the cops do this, here’s what nobody knows, what I am telling you, now maybe you do know something about it: When you have a death like that, DC cops, as you’re [dealing now with a person who is] dead, you generally don’t zip and go, yep I know, what’s the motive, what’s going on, you have to get to the kid’s apartment and see what you can find. If he’s dead, you don’t need a warrant, but most cops get a warrant because they don’t know if the guy has a roommate, so they get a warrant, I’m just telling you, there is such a thing. They go in and can’t do much with his computer, [to find the] password, the cops don’t know much about it, so the cops have a cyber unit in DC, and they’re more sophisticated, they come in and look at it. The idea is maybe he has had a series of exchanges with somebody who said ‘I am going to kill you motherfucker’ over a girl, and they can’t get in, the cyber guys are a little better, but they can’t make sense of it, so they call the FBI cyber unit. The DC unit, the Russian[-monitoring] and field office is a hot-shit unit. The guy running the Washington field office, he’s like a three-star at an army-base, he’s ready [mumble], you know what I mean, he’s going to do a top job. There’s a cyber unit there that’s excellent. What you get in a warrant, the public information you get in a warrant doesn’t include the affidavits underlying why you are going in, what the reason was. That’s almost never available, I can tell you that — the thesis of a warrant as a public document 99% of the time. So they call in the feds, the feds get through, and here’s what they find [HERSH HAD OBTAINED ACCESS TO THE FBI REPORT]. This is according to the FBI report. What they find is, first of all you have to know some basic facts, one of the basic facts is there is no DNC or protected email that exists beyond May 22nd, the last email from either one of those groups. So, what the report says, is:

(2:50-) At some time in late spring, which we’re talking about in June 21st, I don’t know, just late spring early summer, he makes contact with Wikileaks, that’s in his computer, and he makes contact. Now, I have to be careful because I met Julian [Assange] in Europe ten twelve years [ago], I stay the fuck away from people like that. He has invited me and when I am in London, I always get a message, ‘come see me at the Ecuadorean’ [Embassy], and I am fucking not going there. I have enough trouble without getting photographed. He’s under total surveillance by everybody.

They found, what he had done, he [Seth Rich] had submitted a series of documents, emails from DNC — and, by the way, all this shit about the DNC, you know, was it a ‘hack’ or wasn’t it a ‘hack’ — whatever happened, it was the Democrats themselves wrote this shit, you know what I mean? All I know is that, he offered a sample, he sends a sample, you know, I am sure dozens of emails, and said ‘I want money’. Later Wikileaks did get the password [SETH RICH DID SELL WIKILEAKS ACCESS INTO HIS COMPUTER.] He had a drop-box, a [password-]protected drop-box, which isn’t hard to do. I mean you don’t have to be a whiz at IT [information technology], he was not a dumb kid. They got access to the drop-box. This is all from the FBI report. He also let people know with whom he was dealing, I don’t know how he dealt, I’ll tell you all about Wikileaks in a second, with Wikileaks the mechanism, but according to the FBI report, he shared his box with a couple of friends, so ‘If anything happens to me, it’s not going to solve your problem’, okay? I don’t know what that means. But, anyway, Wikileaks got access. And, before he was killed, I can tell you right now, [Obama’s CIA Director John] Brennan’s an asshole. I’ve known all these people for years, Clapper is sort of a better guy but no rocket-scientist, the NSA guys are fuckin’ morons, and the trouble with all those guys is, the only way they’ll get hired by SAIC, is if they’ll deliver some [government] contracts, it’s the only reason they stayed in. With Trump, they’re gone, they’re going to live on their pension, they’re not going to make it [to great wealth]. I’ve gotta to tell you, guys in that job, they don’t want to live on their pension. They want to be on [corporate] boards like their [mumble] thousand bucks [cut].

I have somebody on the inside, you know I’ve been around a long time, somebody who will go and read a file for me, who, this person is unbelievably accurate and careful, he’s a very high-level guy, he’ll do a favor, you’re just going to have to trust me, I have what they call in my business, long-form journalism, I have a narrative, of how that whole fucking thing began.

(5:50-) It’s a Brennan operation. It was an American disinformation, and the fucking President, at one point when they even started telling the press — they were back[ground]-briefing the press, the head of the NSA was going and telling the press, the fucking cocksucker Rogers, telling the press that we [they] even know who in the Russian military intelligence service leaked it. All bullshit. They were telling. I worked at the New York Times those fucking years, they’re smart guys, but they’re totally beholden on [to] sources. If the President or the head of the CIA tells them something, they actually believe it. I retired at the Times at the end of the Vietnam War 1972, because they were just locked-in. So that’s what the Times is, these guys run the fuckin’ Times, and Trump’s not wrong, I wish he would calm down, get a better press secretary, you know, not be so — Trump’s not wrong to think they all fucking lied about him.


The media-coverage of this matter is focusing on allegations that Seth Rich was murdered in order to silence him. All such media-coverage ignores much of what Hersh said on the phone (where Hersh makes clear that Rich was, indeed, murdered in a regular robbery), and therefore should be viewed as an example of what the Washington Post and others in the mainstream press call ‘fake news’, but which actually applies to themselves, on both the left and right, above all.

The purpose of those distorting ‘news’ stories might be a desire, on the part of both the Democratic Party aristocrats and the Republican Party aristocrats, to distract the public’s attention away from the far deeper understanding that drives the “narrative” that Hersh, in that clip, is describing: rot by the U.S. aristocracy, which controls both of America’s political Parties, to deceive the American public. The objective is to protect the aristocracy. That’s not publishable; it is American samizdat. Corruption rules America. The public do not. This fact is what Hersh is describing in his “narrative.”

But there is more: There wasn’t only the leak from the DNC computer (which Hersh was talking about); there was also the leak from John Podesta’s computer, and this was published by Wikileaks later.


Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of  They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of  CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity.

  • anastasia157

    Hersh is telling an outright lie. The neighborhood was quiet, according to the neighbors. Thepolice cited a robbery happening a mile away, but that may as well be in the next state when you live in a city.

    • cettel

      Please provide URL to the online source for your allegation “according to the neighbors”. Otherwise, you’re just another disinformer.

      • anastasia157

        Bloomingdale has been gentrified, very pretty area with lovely rowhouses that are being scooped up by the yuppies and now the millenials. Alot of chic restaurants, and other novelty stores and places to go. . It is not crime free, but there are virtually no murders, few robberies, and mostly burglaries, and other low-level crime. it’s a mixed neighborhood racially, but not considered “high crime” like much of DC.

    • BourrasqueDeNeige

      Hersh is only repeating what the family and the police are already saying, that the killing was the result of a robbery gone awry. A differing opinion of the nature of crime in that particular neighborhood is irrelevant to the underlying truth of Hersh’s reporting.

      Like the media, you are attempting to obfuscate the underlying story. When the leaks were first published in Wikileaks and mainstream publications, the false story that the emails were obtained as the result of a hack was emphasized rather than the contents which showed malfeasance on the part of the Clinton campaign, their ties to the media, Debbie Waserman Schultz,and the DNC.

      • anastasia157

        I appreciate what you are saying, but Hersh often mixes truth with lies, and I am one to look with a great deal of suspicion upon any anonymous sources, no matter how reliable the person supplying such hearsay. Don’t get me wrong, I like Hersh, but in today’s climate, you have to be careful of anyone who has a platform. I do not believe the Russian hacking story because it is ludicrous on its face. The security agencies supplied no forensic proof, albeit they did at the time of the SONY hacking. FBI did not examine the computer, because the DNC would not let them? Really? Have they ever heard of the word, “search warrant?” Further, spies working for the security agencies of Ruissia would leave cyrillic letters behind in the metadata, or the name of the chief of the secret police in the metadata. That story is to be laughed at. Congress should have said to them, “Who would ever believe such a cockamamie story. Now, get out until you decide to come back with your forensic proof (especially after your weapons of mass destruction story). But Seth Rich was no random act of robbery. No way, and when the story first came out, I scrutinized it immediately when I heard he worked for the Democratic Party. According to the neighbors, who are the most reliable sources, the neighborhood was crime free and quiet. Yet, another newspaper reported that there was a robbery one or two miles away, but that is not relevant in that part of the City. . He was shot in the back of the head a couple of time. The newspapers say that there was a scuffle before he was shot because he had scratches on his legs and arms, but that certainly could have occurred when falling forward after being shot in the back of the head. If you “decide” to shoot someone in the back of the head in order to rob him, it oesn’t make a lick of sense not to finish the job you yourself planned and take his possessions. No one was reported to have come out of their homes when the culprits were still there, and under those circumstances, they would not have left without taking his valuables, the very objective of their act. The description of his job gave me an indication it may have been politically motivated, and I could not help but wonder why no newspaper reported which candidate he favored – Hillary or Sanders. That was a piece of vital piece of information at that time because days later, we found out what the DNC did to Bernie Sanders. But newspapers do such things when they like to lead us away from the true story. .

        • BourrasqueDeNeige

          Hersh does what all good investigative reporters do.There are very few left. Hard to call possible inaccuracies “lies” , especially since Hersh in not trying to establish or sustain a narrative as the mainstream outlets are doing.

          • anastasia157

            He said he thinks that Seth Rich was a random crime. i correct myself. It is not a lie, since he is only giving opinion, but it is an opinion with alot of influence. He says the neighborhood was a bad one. I know it is not, but he could have been misled by the newspapers, who tried to imply it was. So, he has excuses on that one, and I stand corrected.

  • Greg Burton

    ‘World’s greatest journalist’? Pffft! People need to take Hersh’s limited hang-outs with a grain of salt.

    If you listen closely, he states Rich’s murder was simply a robbery gone
    bad, despite witnesses who say Rich taken away by police, that he was
    still conscious and walking, later being declared dead at the hospital,
    the growing evidence that the DC police are covering up the murder, the
    DNC obviously trying to dissuade the police, private investigators,
    alternative media, from investigating the murder; and Hersh’s own
    history of dissembling, dismissing obvious false flags and Deep Events
    like 9/11 and the JFK assassination.