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1. LMN II lmn二 Posted: Aug 17th, 2008 at 10:26 pm 發布時間： 2008年8月17日在下午10時26分

   Hmmm…let’s take a look at how things ended up where they did. hmmm …讓我們考慮一下如何的東西，結束了那裡，他們沒有。 First of all, I am an American who considers himself a Reaganite (don’t freak out libs).首先，我是一個美國誰認為自己是一reaganite （不怪胎出庫） 。 Yugoslavia was made up of several nations.南斯拉夫成立的幾個國家。 They were Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Slovenia, Montenegro and Serbia.他們克羅地亞，波斯尼亞，馬其頓，斯洛文尼亞，黑山和塞爾維亞。 Im sure you noticed that I left out Kosovo.即時通訊相信你注意到我離開了科索沃。 Kosovo and Metohija (the real name) has ALWAYS been a part of Serbia, it is considered the Serbian ancestral homeland and in many ways their Holy Land (some of their oldest Orthodox churches are located there, some older then the USA).科索沃和梅托希亞（真實姓名） ，一直是塞爾維亞的一部分，它被認為是塞爾維亞祖先的家園，而且在許多方面他們的聖地（他們的一些最古老的東正教教堂，位於有，一些年紀較大的話，美國） 。 Kosovo was NEVER a separate country in it’s entire history, ever.科索沃是從來沒有一個單獨的國家在它的整個歷史來看，任何時候都。 Now, over the past 100 yrs the Serb population in Kosovo has been strangled out of this province by ethnic Albanians (there is no such thing as a Kosovar).現在，在過去100年塞族人口在科索沃已扼殺了這個省的阿族人（有沒有這樣的事，作為一名科索） 。 In the early 1900’s Serbs were 90 percent of Kosovo, after WWII the population had diminished to around 50-52 percent and now we fast forward to the 80’s and 90’s were the population is only about 10-12 percent (if that).在早期的1900年的塞族人百分之九十以上的科索沃，在第二次世界大戰後人口已經減少至約50-52 ％ ，而現在我們快速向前，以80年代和90年代分別為人口只有約10-12 ％ （如果） 。 Why did this exodus happen?為什麼沒有外流的情況呢？ Unfortunately, after WWII Tito, for reasons we may never know, allowed unmitigated immigration from Albania into the Kosovo region.不幸的是，在第二次世界大戰後鐵托，為的原因，我們可能永遠不會知道，獲准減緩入境從阿爾巴尼亞進入科索沃地區。 Serbs in the province were having the usual 2-3 kids, whilst their Albanian counterparts were having 6-8 kids, in some cases more than that.塞族在該省具有一般2-3孩子，而他們的阿爾巴尼亞對應有6-8孩子，在某些情況下，不止於此。 You tell me what the demographics would look like after a 40-50 year period.你可否告訴我，什麼人口統計看起來就像經過40-50年期間。 Once the Albanians reached a majority they decided that they no longer wanted to learn Serbo-Croatian, they decided they wanted their own schools, language based news media, political & social institutions and so on.一旦阿爾巴尼亞人達成了大多數，他們決定，他們不再想學塞爾維亞克羅地亞語，他們決定他們希望自己的學校，語言為基礎的新聞媒體，政治與社會機構等。 Also, during the late 70’s into the early 80’s the KLA formed (Kosovo Liberation Army, which was on the US terrorist watchlist until Clinton took them off so he could “wag the dog” during the Lewinsky scandal).同時，在晚70的到80年代初的科索沃解放軍的形成（科索沃解放軍，這是對美國的恐怖監視列表中，直到克林頓上台將它們趕走，使他可以“ wag狗”在萊溫斯基醜聞） 。 These goons decided that the ethnic Albanians should have Kosovo for themselves.這些goons決定，阿爾巴尼亞裔人應該有科索沃為自己。 They began to murder, rape, bomb, intimidate and persecute the Serbian minority (not to mention the Roma. Goranis and others).他們開始謀殺，強姦，爆炸，恐嚇和迫害塞爾維亞少數民族（不提羅姆。戈蘭奇等） 。 Among the so called Kosovo leadership are war criminals who have just as much blood on their hands as the Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks (Bosnian muslims), they are Agim Ceku, Ramush Haradinaj and Hashim Thaci.其中所謂的科索沃領導人是戰犯誰也一樣，雙手沾滿鮮血作為塞爾維亞人，克羅地亞，波斯尼亞（波黑穆斯林） ，他們是阿吉姆切庫，拉穆什哈拉迪納伊和哈希姆特哈契。 So, Milosevic did what any leader would do in such a circumstance, he sent the military in to stop the separatists from persecuting the rightful owners of Kosovo and because of this he got Serbia bombed all to hell (more civilians died in the air attacks than military, how nice).因此，米洛舍維奇沒有什麼任何領導人將盡在這種情況下，他派遣軍隊在制止分離主義分子從迫害合法所有者，科索沃和正因為如此，他得到塞爾維亞轟炸，所有地獄（更多的平民死亡，在空中攻擊比軍事，如何尼斯） 。 Also, if the Albanians are so nice to live with why haven’t the 80,000-150,000 (depends on which refugee organization you listen to) Serb refugees from the province returned and why does KFOR and UNMIK have to place guards around the few Orthodox churches and Serb enclaves left 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.此外，如果阿爾巴尼亞人，使尼斯住在一起，為什麼沒有80000-150000 （取決於難民組織你聽）塞族難民從省回來，為何不駐科部隊和科索沃特派團，以地方警衛周圍的數座東正教教堂和塞族飛地左24小時，每天，每週7天，一年365天。 Now, one should also factor in that the Serbs were the only people in that part of the world that sided with the Allies in both world wars.現在，也應在這方面的因素，該名塞族人唯一的人在這世界的一部分認為，片面與盟國在兩次世界大戰。 The Croats (Ustache) were Nazi collaborators, they even ran the second deadliest concentration camp behind Aushwitz, this camp was known as Jasnevac.克羅地亞（ ustache ）被納粹合作者，他們甚至然的第二個致命的濃度營地背後的aushwitz ，這個陣營被稱為jasnevac 。 The Albanian and Bosnian muslims had their own Nazi SS divisions (the Bosnian muslim wartime leader, Alija Izetbegovic, was a recruiter for the Nazis during WWII).阿爾巴尼亞族和波黑穆斯林有自己的納粹五師（波斯尼亞穆斯林的戰時領導人，阿利亞伊澤特貝戈維奇，這是一個招聘納粹在二戰期間） 。 These Nazi allies proceeded to try to rid the Balkans of all Serbs, Jews, Roma, etc..這些納粹盟友，進而嘗試擺脫巴爾幹地區的所有塞爾維亞人，猶太人，吉卜賽人等。 As you can see, Serbia has had quite a time in dealing with their neighbors, no wonder they were/are wound so tight.你可以看到，塞爾維亞已相當的時間在處理與他們的鄰居，無怪乎他們/是傷口，所以緊張。 I would like to make one thing clear, Milosevic was no sweetheart, Im sure we can all agree with that premise.我想作一件事，清楚，米洛舍維奇是沒有情人，即時通訊，確保我們大家都可以同意與前提。 He tried to have his way and used military means to get them, which was entirely wrong and misguided.他試圖以他的方式和使用軍事手段來讓他們，這是完全錯誤和誤導。 Yet, it was the Serbian people who forced him out of office and had him delivered to the Hague and what did that get the Serbs, more and more demands and eventually, the annexation by foreign elements of their beloved Kosovo.然而，這是塞爾維亞人民的誰強迫他不在辦公室，並已交付給他在海牙和什麼做，這讓塞族人，越來越多的需求，並最終，兼併外國勢力，他們心愛的科索沃。 Ok, let’s fast forward to the Georgia situation.確定，讓我們快速前進，向格魯吉亞的情況。 Vladimir Putin told everyone at the UN that the recognition of a independent Kosovo without UN approval would set a dangerous precedent for other separatist causes around the world (one should know that UN resolution 1244 states that Kosovo is a part of Serbia and should be recognized as such).普京告訴大家在聯合國說，承認一個獨立的科索沃未經聯合國批准，將成立一個危險的先例，為其他分裂的原因在世界各地（一應該知道，聯合國第1244號決議的國家，科索沃是塞爾維亞的一部分，並應被承認為例如） 。 The Western argument of “Kosovo is a unique case” was one of the most arrogant and idiotic things I have ever heard.西方的說法， “科索沃是一個獨特的案例”是其中一個最傲慢和愚蠢的事情，我有一次聽到。 There’sa reason that only 45 nations out of 190+ have recognized it, many of them have worries that it could embolden separatist causes in their own countries, albeit many of them are quite small at the moment.有一個原因，只有45個國家出190 +已認識到，他們中的許多憂慮，它可以壯膽，分裂的原因在他們自己的國家，雖然他們很多是相當少收於11.942美元。 Spain, with the Basques currently threatening a independence referendum in the near future, did not jump on the EU bandwagon because of this.西班牙，與巴斯克目前威脅獨立問題的公民投票在不久的將來，沒有跳轉就歐盟行列，因為這一點。 South Ossetia, just days after the Kosovo declaration, came out saying that Kosovo had set a precedent for their cause, as well as, Abhkazia’s cause.南奧塞梯，只是天之後，科索沃的聲明，出來說，科索沃已開創了一個先例，為他們的事業，以及， abhkazia的事業。 The MILF in the southern Phillipines (Mindanao) want their own independent Muslim entity and are interested in how Kosovo achieved theirs.摩洛伊斯蘭解放陣線在菲律賓南部（棉蘭老島）希望他們自己獨立的穆斯林實體，並且有興趣在如何科索沃取得他們的。 The Transneistr area of Moldava wants the same.該transneistr面積moldava要相同。 No matter how many times the Western countries pronounce “Kosovo is a unique case” it doesn’t make it so.無論有多少倍，西方國家的宣告“科索沃是一個獨特的案例： ”它不會作出這樣做。 There’s three reasons the US wants Kosovo apart from Serbia.有三個原因，美國除了希望科索沃從塞爾維亞。 1) The US currently has the second largest military base built since Vietnam located there, Camp Bondsteel (it is suspected of being one of the secret CIA interrogation centers). 1 ）美國目前擁有的第二大基地建成以來，越南設在那裡，營bondsteel （它是被懷疑是其中的中情局秘密審訊中心） 。 2) The US wanted to show the Muslim world that it is not anti-muslim and that we will help muslims if need be (especially if it coincides with US interests as well). 2 ）美國想表現出穆斯林世界，這是不是反穆斯林，並且我們將幫助穆斯林，如果有需要（尤其是如果它剛好與美國的利益，以及） 。 3) If Serbia were to keep Kosovo there would be the very real threat of having our military thrown out and Camp Bondsteel taken over or destroyed. 3 ）如果塞爾維亞人繼續在科索沃將有非常真實的威脅後，我軍拋出和營地bondsteel接管或銷毀。 There are a few more I could state, but these are the top ones.有幾個我可以更多的國家，但這些都是頂端。 So, as you can see, one nation’s territorial integrity, Georgia, should be kept at all costs says the West (can you say US/EU lapdog) while another nation’s should be dismantled, Serbia, which would never cater to having foreign soldiers on their own land.因此，正如你可以看到，一個國家的領土完整，格魯吉亞，應保持不惜一切代價，說西（你能說美國/歐盟lapdog ） ，而另一民族的應予以拆除，塞爾維亞，絕不會照顧到有外國士兵就在自己的土地上。 Can anyone say hypocrisy at it’s finest.任何人都可以說，虛偽，在它最優秀的。 There’s no doubt in my mind that Putin/Medvedev planned this after their warnings were ignored, after all it was NATO that set the precedent of “humanitarian intervention” and the US with many western European countries that (and a few smaller ones who cater to the West) were the only ones to recognize the ethnic Albanians declaration of independence in Kosovo.有毫無疑問，在我心目中，普京/梅德維杰夫此計劃後，他們的警告被忽略，畢竟這是北約確定的先例， “人道主義干預”和美國與許多西歐國家（和幾個規模較小的誰照顧到西） ，只有承認阿族人的獨立宣言是在科索沃。 The West, since the end of the cold war, has been ignoring, poking and prodding Russia thinking it was still a economic and political basketcase like in the 90s, but it isn’t.西，自冷戰結束後，一直忽略了，撬撥和產品的俄羅斯思想，它仍然是一個經濟和政治basketcase一樣，在90年代，但事實並非如此。 It’s oil rich, it’s political situation is more stable and it’s military is still quite capable, as Georgia saw firsthand.它的石油豐富，它的政治局勢更加穩定和它的軍事仍是有相當的能力，作為格魯吉亞看到的第一手資料。 Im not condoning what happened in Georgia, but looking at how things have transpired starting with the bombing of Serbia over the separatists in Kosovo in the late 90s and then the mostly western backing of it’s independence against the wishes of Russia and China, no wonder we have what we have now.即時通訊不能縱容所發生的事情在格魯吉亞，但在研究如何事情transpired開始轟炸塞爾維亞超過分離主義分子在科索沃在90年代後期，然後大多是西方的支持，它的獨立，反對的意願，俄羅斯和中國，沒有難怪我們有什麼我們現在。 Finally, when Reagan and Gorbachev sat down and worked out the deal with the fall of the USSR, the US president promised the Soviet leader that NATO and the West would not try to bring the countries surrounding it into NATO and, of course, the last couple of Presidents have gone back on that word.最後，當裡根和戈爾巴喬夫坐下，並制定了處理秋季蘇聯，美國總統所承諾的前蘇聯領導人認為，北約和西方不會試圖使周邊國家成為北約和，當然，最後總統夫婦已經回到對這個詞。 Reagan would never have gone for the destruction of the territorial integrity of Serbia, let along the inclusion of many of the ex-Soviet bloc members into NATO.裡根也不會去破壞領土完整的塞爾維亞，讓沿線列入許多前蘇聯集團成員加入北約。 Now, can one see how this all came about, why such circumstances have come to play or are many of you still listening to what the mainstream media and the govt is telling you to believe.現在，可以一見如何，這一切來約，為什麼這種情況下，來發揮，還是你們中許多人仍然是聽其言，主流媒體和政府是告訴你要相信。 Reply回复 | Quote selected text引用選定的文本 | Link to this鏈接到本