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	<title>Comments on: 9/11 Cultwatch To Speak At Anarchist Studies Network Conference</title>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The "War on Terror" is BECAUSE OF 9/11. 9/11 is a blatant lie, disprovable in literally hundreds on different areas. &#38; thus anyone promoting the government's account of it &#38; attack those who expose it are pro-war by default. These 'anarchist' anti-truth groups are childish &#38; silly, &#38; they reveal it espescially when they use ridiculous insults like "toofer" to describe real researchers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;War on Terror&#8221; is BECAUSE OF 9/11. 9/11 is a blatant lie, disprovable in literally hundreds on different areas. &amp; thus anyone promoting the government&#8217;s account of it &amp; attack those who expose it are pro-war by default. These &#8216;anarchist&#8217; anti-truth groups are childish &amp; silly, &amp; they reveal it espescially when they use ridiculous insults like &#8220;toofer&#8221; to describe real researchers.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://rinf.com/alt-news/contributions/911-cultwatch-to-speak-at-anarchist-studies-network-conference/4089/#comment-98765</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only looked into the events of 9-11 recently, at the request of a sibling. The 9-11 truth movement is certainly not monolithic. After a while I realized that not only did I have to weed out the well-intentioned but unreasonable, or insignificant, arguments, but those by people who are very likely government agents. Noam Chomsky's criticism of the name-calling within the movement is valid, and it's understandable that to an anti-war activist of the 60s the main focus should be on protesting the war. 

But, on the other hand, there is staggering evidence supporting the argument that Bush's so-called "War on Terror" is based on a false premise, i.e. the bombing and invasion of Afghanistan was defensive because Al-Qaeda attacked the US on 9-11-01. Also, our country is in a greater crisis today than it was 40 years ago during the Vietnam War. It is imperative that Americans hear about and understand the fallacies of the official story of 9-11 and the evidence that not only counters it but implicates our own government and other entities working in concert with it. Only then will citizens understand that it's more patriotic to stop sending their sons and daughers to fight in wars based on false premises and to stay home and fight for our eroding rights, to demand an end to the "War on Terror," whose name and the laws supporting it are acts of terror against the US public.

It's no doubt uncomfortable for some people to hear it repeated over and over how Pearl Harbor was provoked and allowed to happen. Had the public been wiser the government wouldn't have been able to gain its support for entering that war when it did, and remaining for its duration. Had anti-war activists known the truth 40 years ago about the Bay of Tonkin, or at least questioned more the reason for going to Vietnam, it certainly would have given us a better footing. And if people realized that governments didn't start lying to the public in the 20th century, but that Lincoln lied about the Civil War being about the abolition slavery in order to recruit blacks and abolitionists to diminshed Union ranks, they might realize that there has rarely if ever been a righteous war. 

It is often said that the first casualty of war is truth, but actually "neutralizing" truth is the main prerequisite for a nation to start a war, and pursuing the truth is the primary prerequisite for citizens to end an unjust war. 

I applaud all the people who have struggled thus far to demand a new hearing on 9-11, and to persuade the rest of us who were slow to come around. You're heroes, one and all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only looked into the events of 9-11 recently, at the request of a sibling. The 9-11 truth movement is certainly not monolithic. After a while I realized that not only did I have to weed out the well-intentioned but unreasonable, or insignificant, arguments, but those by people who are very likely government agents. Noam Chomsky&#8217;s criticism of the name-calling within the movement is valid, and it&#8217;s understandable that to an anti-war activist of the 60s the main focus should be on protesting the war. </p>
<p>But, on the other hand, there is staggering evidence supporting the argument that Bush&#8217;s so-called &#8220;War on Terror&#8221; is based on a false premise, i.e. the bombing and invasion of Afghanistan was defensive because Al-Qaeda attacked the US on 9-11-01. Also, our country is in a greater crisis today than it was 40 years ago during the Vietnam War. It is imperative that Americans hear about and understand the fallacies of the official story of 9-11 and the evidence that not only counters it but implicates our own government and other entities working in concert with it. Only then will citizens understand that it&#8217;s more patriotic to stop sending their sons and daughers to fight in wars based on false premises and to stay home and fight for our eroding rights, to demand an end to the &#8220;War on Terror,&#8221; whose name and the laws supporting it are acts of terror against the US public.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no doubt uncomfortable for some people to hear it repeated over and over how Pearl Harbor was provoked and allowed to happen. Had the public been wiser the government wouldn&#8217;t have been able to gain its support for entering that war when it did, and remaining for its duration. Had anti-war activists known the truth 40 years ago about the Bay of Tonkin, or at least questioned more the reason for going to Vietnam, it certainly would have given us a better footing. And if people realized that governments didn&#8217;t start lying to the public in the 20th century, but that Lincoln lied about the Civil War being about the abolition slavery in order to recruit blacks and abolitionists to diminshed Union ranks, they might realize that there has rarely if ever been a righteous war. </p>
<p>It is often said that the first casualty of war is truth, but actually &#8220;neutralizing&#8221; truth is the main prerequisite for a nation to start a war, and pursuing the truth is the primary prerequisite for citizens to end an unjust war. </p>
<p>I applaud all the people who have struggled thus far to demand a new hearing on 9-11, and to persuade the rest of us who were slow to come around. You&#8217;re heroes, one and all.</p>
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		<title>By: ROBinDALLAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ROBinDALLAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is ironic that one of Chomsky's most renown books is 
"MANUFACTURING CONSENT",  yet he resists the overwhelming evidence that 911 was a "false flag" event designed to do just that.   911 was the neocon way of manufacturing consent of the masses of the US to invade Afghanistan and subsequently they used it to justify the invasion of Iraq.  The evidence is clear that the events of 911 do not match the "official conspiracy theory".  History is replete with "false flag" events being perpetrated to instill consent for military invasions and wars.  Exposing this "false flag" methodology will go a long way toward reducing it's effectiveness as a tool of manipulation. 


It is true that there are many who understandably detest American policies of imperialism.  The 911 events being an inside job don't nullify this fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is ironic that one of Chomsky&#8217;s most renown books is<br />
&#8220;MANUFACTURING CONSENT&#8221;,  yet he resists the overwhelming evidence that 911 was a &#8220;false flag&#8221; event designed to do just that.   911 was the neocon way of manufacturing consent of the masses of the US to invade Afghanistan and subsequently they used it to justify the invasion of Iraq.  The evidence is clear that the events of 911 do not match the &#8220;official conspiracy theory&#8221;.  History is replete with &#8220;false flag&#8221; events being perpetrated to instill consent for military invasions and wars.  Exposing this &#8220;false flag&#8221; methodology will go a long way toward reducing it&#8217;s effectiveness as a tool of manipulation. </p>
<p>It is true that there are many who understandably detest American policies of imperialism.  The 911 events being an inside job don&#8217;t nullify this fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Ringo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ringo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a stupid conclusion. I don't belong to any organizations or groups in reference to 9/11 because any idiot can discern 9/11 was an inside job. It's so obvious that only an ignorant jackass (or a bought off one) could deny American and Israeli involvement.

When are people finally going to wise up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a stupid conclusion. I don&#8217;t belong to any organizations or groups in reference to 9/11 because any idiot can discern 9/11 was an inside job. It&#8217;s so obvious that only an ignorant jackass (or a bought off one) could deny American and Israeli involvement.</p>
<p>When are people finally going to wise up?</p>
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		<title>By: Maasanova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maasanova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9/11 Cultwatch's view on the 9/11 Truth Movement echo the same views as the Simon Wiesenthall Center's views on the 9/11 Truth Movement: that they hold closed, an potentially dangerous views of social issues, particularly those pertaning  to the government.

They do this by smearing of course, and by presenting the movement as being on the fringe of society (cult-like, racist or radicals), when in actuality based on current polls, the views of the movement appear to be those of the mainstream (in varying degrees of course). This is just a common form of disinformation and truth suppression and I'm surprised that after all these years, this technique still works to the degree it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9/11 Cultwatch&#8217;s view on the 9/11 Truth Movement echo the same views as the Simon Wiesenthall Center&#8217;s views on the 9/11 Truth Movement: that they hold closed, an potentially dangerous views of social issues, particularly those pertaning  to the government.</p>
<p>They do this by smearing of course, and by presenting the movement as being on the fringe of society (cult-like, racist or radicals), when in actuality based on current polls, the views of the movement appear to be those of the mainstream (in varying degrees of course). This is just a common form of disinformation and truth suppression and I&#8217;m surprised that after all these years, this technique still works to the degree it does.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Meaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick Meaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote post="4089"] don’t support any theories only asking questions. [/quote]
Why attack those who disagree with you if you're just asking questions and not making claims to what actually happened. What other movement behaves like that?

[quote post="4089"]So many inconsistencies and about that day and you’re more interested in trying to pick fights with truthers.[/quote]
The inconsistencies are listed in the archives on this site. It's all here, both sides of the debate. Posting a difference of option is NOT picking a fight.

You know, even talking about this is detracting us from issues that actually need to be addressed, you know the ones that cause real problems for people all over the world.</description>
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 don’t support any theories only asking questions. </p>
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<p>Why attack those who disagree with you if you&#8217;re just asking questions and not making claims to what actually happened. What other movement behaves like that?</p>
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So many inconsistencies and about that day and you’re more interested in trying to pick fights with truthers.</p>
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<p>The inconsistencies are listed in the archives on this site. It&#8217;s all here, both sides of the debate. Posting a difference of option is NOT picking a fight.</p>
<p>You know, even talking about this is detracting us from issues that actually need to be addressed, you know the ones that cause real problems for people all over the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted the following questions to a debunker on another thread, if any debunkers here want to take a stab at them help yourselves: -

Name me one other steel framed skyscraper that has totally collapsed due to fire damage. (clue - there aren’t any)

Do you agree that bin Laden writes a note in the responsibility video with his right hand? (clue - yes he does)

Do you agree the FBI website says he is left handed? (clue - yes it does)

Do you agree that bin Laden can be seen wearing a gold ring and gold or gold plated watch in the responsibility video? (clue - he can)

Do you agree that it is almost definite that a devout Muslim like bin Laden wouldn’t wear anything gold as it is forbidden by his faith like wearing silk? (clue - this is correct)

Do you agree that the bin Laden in the reponsibility video looks more like Les Dennis than bin Laden? (clue - Les Dennis is stretching it a bit, but I have never seen a picture of Bin Laden looking quite so chubby around the face, especially considering he was supposed to be very ill at this time. His beard is the wrong colour too)

Please explain how asymetrical damage and chaotic fires could have such a perfectly uniform effect when collapsing WTC7 (by explain I mean tell me how the laws of physics I have quoted are not applicable(Law of increasing entropy, law of conservation of momentum and objects taking the path of least resistance)). (clue - not possible but I can’t wait to see you try)

Please give some indication of how the spherical pieces of iron came in to existance, being as they need steel/iron to melt in order to be generated and the official reports say that the temperatures were not hot enough for this. (clue - if the fires didn’t get hot enough to melt the steel then the spherical particles cannot exist, but they do)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted the following questions to a debunker on another thread, if any debunkers here want to take a stab at them help yourselves: -</p>
<p>Name me one other steel framed skyscraper that has totally collapsed due to fire damage. (clue - there aren’t any)</p>
<p>Do you agree that bin Laden writes a note in the responsibility video with his right hand? (clue - yes he does)</p>
<p>Do you agree the FBI website says he is left handed? (clue - yes it does)</p>
<p>Do you agree that bin Laden can be seen wearing a gold ring and gold or gold plated watch in the responsibility video? (clue - he can)</p>
<p>Do you agree that it is almost definite that a devout Muslim like bin Laden wouldn’t wear anything gold as it is forbidden by his faith like wearing silk? (clue - this is correct)</p>
<p>Do you agree that the bin Laden in the reponsibility video looks more like Les Dennis than bin Laden? (clue - Les Dennis is stretching it a bit, but I have never seen a picture of Bin Laden looking quite so chubby around the face, especially considering he was supposed to be very ill at this time. His beard is the wrong colour too)</p>
<p>Please explain how asymetrical damage and chaotic fires could have such a perfectly uniform effect when collapsing WTC7 (by explain I mean tell me how the laws of physics I have quoted are not applicable(Law of increasing entropy, law of conservation of momentum and objects taking the path of least resistance)). (clue - not possible but I can’t wait to see you try)</p>
<p>Please give some indication of how the spherical pieces of iron came in to existance, being as they need steel/iron to melt in order to be generated and the official reports say that the temperatures were not hot enough for this. (clue - if the fires didn’t get hot enough to melt the steel then the spherical particles cannot exist, but they do)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob411</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob411</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously you didn't bother reading my comment.  I don't support any theories only asking questions.  So many inconsistencies and about that day and you're more interested in trying to pick fights with truthers.  This seems counterproductive.  Maybe it's just the "angle" of this site?

Anyway, as I stated before:

Does anyone remember the people being interviewed on the news on 9-11, explaining what they saw? I remember seeing Gary Welz a couple of different times on the news wearing different costumes pretending to be different people. He’s an actor. Same thing with John Albenese.

Why were actors telling us about what they witnessed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously you didn&#8217;t bother reading my comment.  I don&#8217;t support any theories only asking questions.  So many inconsistencies and about that day and you&#8217;re more interested in trying to pick fights with truthers.  This seems counterproductive.  Maybe it&#8217;s just the &#8220;angle&#8221; of this site?</p>
<p>Anyway, as I stated before:</p>
<p>Does anyone remember the people being interviewed on the news on 9-11, explaining what they saw? I remember seeing Gary Welz a couple of different times on the news wearing different costumes pretending to be different people. He’s an actor. Same thing with John Albenese.</p>
<p>Why were actors telling us about what they witnessed?</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Meaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick Meaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote post="4089"]Mick, you’re wrong (distraction tactic?). [/quote]

Another example of a paranoid slur with no supporting evidence. Cheers.

[quote post="4089"]But thank you for attempting to group ever “truther” into a nice litte box.[/quote]
Tell me that the UK truth movement does not support racists. Tell me it does not have a cult like mentality. Tell me it is not aggressive. Tell me it does not endorse borderline thug type behaviour.

When you look at the conduct of the UK truth movement over the last 3 years there can only be one conclusion.

Of course I'm not saying &lt;i&gt;everyone&lt;/i&gt; in the UK truth movement is like this, I've always said there's some very decent people in it. It does not change the fact that a highly questionable approach has been tolerated and in some cases adopted as a blueprint for "activism".

And if you start promoting any more of that &lt;b&gt;no planer bullshit&lt;/b&gt; on here and you'll soon out stay your welcome.</description>
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Mick, you’re wrong (distraction tactic?). </p>
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<p>Another example of a paranoid slur with no supporting evidence. Cheers.</p>
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But thank you for attempting to group ever “truther” into a nice litte box.</p>
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<p>Tell me that the UK truth movement does not support racists. Tell me it does not have a cult like mentality. Tell me it is not aggressive. Tell me it does not endorse borderline thug type behaviour.</p>
<p>When you look at the conduct of the UK truth movement over the last 3 years there can only be one conclusion.</p>
<p>Of course I&#8217;m not saying <i>everyone</i> in the UK truth movement is like this, I&#8217;ve always said there&#8217;s some very decent people in it. It does not change the fact that a highly questionable approach has been tolerated and in some cases adopted as a blueprint for &#8220;activism&#8221;.</p>
<p>And if you start promoting any more of that <b>no planer bullshit</b> on here and you&#8217;ll soon out stay your welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob411</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob411</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mick, you're wrong (distraction tactic?).  But thank you for attempting to group ever "truther" into a nice litte box.  Anyway, back to the issue at hand:

Does anyone remember the people being interviewed on the news on 9-11, explaining what they saw?  I remember seeing Gary Welz a couple of different times on the news wearing different costumes pretending to be different people.  He's an actor.  Same thing with John Albenese.

Has anybody "debunked" why we saw actors explaining what they witnessed on 9-11? 

I'm really not interested in debating "aliens did it" or "there were no planes" theories.  I believe these people are either lunatics or disinformation agents.

In September Clues they point out a plethera of problems with regard to what was shown to us on the news.  It's amazing that the fact that the video in the Faux archives has been modified, edited, and altered compared to what they showed us that day and it isn't raising any eyebrows.

But, as BBC has demonstrated (through amnesia and missing tapes from the archives), the MSM will go to great lengths to cover their own butts.

If anybody could provide some explanation about "Gary Welz", I'd appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mick, you&#8217;re wrong (distraction tactic?).  But thank you for attempting to group ever &#8220;truther&#8221; into a nice litte box.  Anyway, back to the issue at hand:</p>
<p>Does anyone remember the people being interviewed on the news on 9-11, explaining what they saw?  I remember seeing Gary Welz a couple of different times on the news wearing different costumes pretending to be different people.  He&#8217;s an actor.  Same thing with John Albenese.</p>
<p>Has anybody &#8220;debunked&#8221; why we saw actors explaining what they witnessed on 9-11? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m really not interested in debating &#8220;aliens did it&#8221; or &#8220;there were no planes&#8221; theories.  I believe these people are either lunatics or disinformation agents.</p>
<p>In September Clues they point out a plethera of problems with regard to what was shown to us on the news.  It&#8217;s amazing that the fact that the video in the Faux archives has been modified, edited, and altered compared to what they showed us that day and it isn&#8217;t raising any eyebrows.</p>
<p>But, as BBC has demonstrated (through amnesia and missing tapes from the archives), the MSM will go to great lengths to cover their own butts.</p>
<p>If anybody could provide some explanation about &#8220;Gary Welz&#8221;, I&#8217;d appreciate it.</p>
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