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9/11 Cultwatch in Dumfries 9 / 11 Cultwatch在鄧弗里斯

Wednesday, November 12th, 2008 星期三, 2008年十一月12號

By通過 Paul Stott保羅斯托特 |

The bulk of the 9/11 Cultwatch talk at Glasgow University concentrated on the 9/11 Cultwatch paper presented to Loughborough University in September. 大部分的9 / 11 Cultwatch談話格拉斯哥大學集中在9 / 11 Cultwatch文件提交給拉夫堡大學在9月。

However, the organisers in Dumfries requested some additional information as regards background, methodology and motivations.然而,在鄧弗里斯組織者要求一些額外的資訊方面的背景,方法和動機。 These comments are reproduced below:這些意見轉載如下:

What This Talk Is 這是對話

My talk is about the 9/11 ‘truth’ movement - very simply those groups, individuals and organisations who reject the view of Al Qaeda responsibility for the September 11 2001 terrorist attacks in the US.我的談話是對9 / 11 '真相'運動-很簡單,這些團體,個人和組織反對誰認為基地組織負責2 001年9月1 1恐怖襲擊事件在美國。 This is not a talk about 9/11 itself, or US foreign policy or Osama Bin Laden.這不是一個談論9 / 11事件本身,或美國的外交政策或烏薩馬本拉丹。 What I will focus on is 9/11 and the Muslim world, the anti-semitism of the 9/11 truth movement and finally the offspring that 9/11 truth is nuturing - for example the 7/7 truth movement.我將集中在是9 / 11和穆斯林世界的反猶太主義的9 / 11真相運動和最終的後代是9 / 11的事實是nuturing -例如, 7 / 7真理運動。

Why? 為什麼?

Two things motivated my interest in the 9/11 ‘truth’ movement.兩件事出於我的興趣在9 / 11 '真相'運動。 I’d been writing for many years for a magazine called我會一直寫作多年的一本雜誌稱為 Notes From the Borderland注從邊疆 . NFB had taken a long term interest in two former MI5 officers - David Shayler and Annie Machon, who had fallen out with the Security Service and launched new careers as public figures. NFB已採取了長遠利益的兩名前軍情五處官員大衛-S hayler和安妮M achon,誰已脫離了與警衛人員和推出了新的職業作為公眾人物。

We were unhappy at the naive and unquestioning welcome many in left/liberal circles gave them, especially when they offered no substantive information on the disruption of radical political groups by the police and security services, and worse their main argument seemed to be for a more efficient MI5.我們不滿的天真和無條件地歡迎許多左/自由主義各界給他們,尤其是當他們提供任何實質性的信息擾亂激進的政治團體的警察和保安服務,並惡化其主要論點似乎是一個更軍情五處效率。

In 2005 Machon and Shayler abruptly left the anti-war movement and moved into 9/11 truth circles, even though both had written articles on the dangers of Islamist terrorism, using 9/11 as an example.在2005年Machon和Shayler突然離開反戰運動,搬進9 / 11真相界,即使都寫文章的危險伊斯蘭恐怖主義,利用9 / 11作為一個例子。 Something did not ring true.有沒有真正的戒指。

The second motivation  was the behaviour of 9/11 truth activists themselves, particularly at the 2005 Anarchist Bookfair, where they used a high degree of subterfuge, coupled with intimidation on the day, to get David Shayler and Annie Machon into an event they would never otherwise have been allowed to enter.第二個動機是行為的9 / 11真相活動本身,尤其是在2005年無政府主義者Bookfair ,在那裡他們用高度的花招,加上恐嚇的一天,讓大衛Shayler和安妮Machon到一個事件,他們決不會否則被允許進入。

Something was clearly happening here, and if we did not comment on it, no one else would?一些顯然是發生在這裡,如果我們沒有評論,沒有人會?

Methodology 方法論

My colleague Larry O’Hara likes to use the term ‘oppositional observation’.我的同事奧哈拉拉里喜歡使用的術語'對立觀察。 For many years now he and I have gone to 9/11 truth meetings, spoken to their members and debated on their Internet forums.多年來,他和我已經去了9 / 11真相的會議,其發言和辯論的成員在其網上論壇。 We have interviewed disillusioned truthers, and been hissed and booed by those still active in the truth movement.我們採訪了幻滅truthers ,並已hissed和噓聲的人仍然活躍在運動的真相。 I have now seen nearly all of the truth movements main speakers - certainly those who have visited the UK.我現在已經看到幾乎所有的真理運動的主要發言者-當然這些誰已經訪問了英國。

We have attempted to move beyond the truth movements obsession with the Internet, trying to keep a handle on the ever shifting volume of books on Islamist terrorism and 9/11, with a desire wherever possible to look at primary sources.我們試圖超越真理運動痴迷互聯網,試圖保持處理上都轉移數量的書籍和伊斯蘭恐怖主義9 / 11 ,並希望在可能的情況下看主要來源。 Whatever its faults, people do need to read the 9/11 Commission Report, they do need to look at Bin Laden’s statements since 9/11 (how many truthers have looked at either?) and they do need to compare the shifting comments of some 9/11 truthers, especially as the truth industry continues to grow.無論其缺點,人們需要閱讀的9 / 11委員會的報告,他們確實需要看看本拉丹的聲明自9 / 11 (多少truthers已經看過要么? )和他們所需要的比較轉移的意見一些9 / 11 truthers ,尤其是真理行業繼續增長。

Background 背景

When I spoke at Loughborough University, one questionner rightly pointed out that in my paper there were few sources from ‘radical’ publications.當我談到在拉夫堡大學,一個questionner正確地指出,在我的論文很少有來自'激進'的出版物。 In a way, I am a bit of a lone wolf in the developing field of Terrorism Studies, and even more so in writing critically about Islamist organisations.從某種意義上說,我有點孤獨的狼在發展中國家反恐怖主義領域的研究,更以書面批評伊斯蘭組織。

Many of those writing on this subject come from political backgrounds sympathetic to the security industry (eg the school at St Andrews University) or from left/liberal gackgrounds, perhaps journals such as許多人寫就這個問題來自政治背景同情安全產業(如學校在聖安德魯斯大學)或左/自由主義gackgrounds ,也許期刊如 Race & Class種族與階級 , where society is usually see through a prism where the only real evils come from the West, and the United States in particular.在社會通常是看到通過棱鏡的唯一真正的邪惡來自西方,尤其是美國。

I have issue with both of those traditions.我有兩個問題,對這些傳統。


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  1. Maximus V 馬克西穆斯V
    Posted: Nov 12th, 2008 at 8:34 pm 發布時間: 2008年11月一十二日在下午8時34分

    What we need are some more labels like “Left/liberal” and “Truthers” and “Truth movement”.我們需要的是更多的標籤,如“左/自由主義”和“ Truthers ”和“真理運動” 。

    Clearly this individual believes the official story which is this:顯然,這個人認為,官方的故事是這樣的:

    19 fanatical Muslim Terrorist,controlled by a man who lives in a cave, hijacked 4 large jets with box cutters and the threat of a bomb, and all on the same day defeated the US & NATO air defence with almost 100 % success, not once, but 4 times in the same 24 hour day, and not a single defence jet intercepted despite the hijackings being known about for considerable time and having altrady hit both twin towers was able to fully penetrate Pentagon airspace and slam into the Pentagon after hitting down 30 ft light polls and flying just feet off the ground for at least 1/4 mile defying all known laws of aerodynamics. 19狂熱的穆斯林恐怖主義,控制誰一個人生活在一個山洞裡,被劫持飛機第4大箱刀具和威脅有炸彈,而所有在同一天擊敗了美國和北約的防空,幾乎100 %的成功,不是一次,但4次在同一天24小時,而不是一個單一的國防射流截獲儘管劫持事件是了解的相當多的時間和altrady擊中了這兩個雙塔是能夠充分滲透五角大樓的領空和撞擊五角大樓盤中下跌了30英尺輕調查和飛行只是腳離地面至少1 / 4英里藐視所有已知的空氣動力學的法律。

    In addition two of the alleged DEAD hijackers still fly for Saudi Airlines and Osmar Binladen (they guy in the cave) has still not been indited for 911 because there is absolutely NO evidence according to the FBI & CIA.另外兩名劫機者據稱死仍然飛往沙特航空公司和奧斯馬爾Binladen (傢伙,他們在洞穴裡)尚未indited為911 ,因為是絕對沒有根據的證據,聯邦調查局和中央情報局。

    Its a BIG FAT FACT - Osmar Binladen as of 12 November 2008 is still only a Suspect for the attacks of 911.它是一種盛大的事實-奧斯馬爾B inladen截至2 008年1 1月1 2號依然只是一個犯罪嫌疑人的襲擊事件9 11。

    So under these circumstances, seeing as it is more than 7 years and still the guilty party who financed and planned 911 have not been indited, is it not only right and proper to have a second impartial investigation to add all the new evidence of which has come to light since the first 911 Omission Report which omitted 130 + rescue workers statements from the so called inquiry because they did not support the official pack of lies which were used by the Bush regime to illegally attack Afghanistan despite the key suspect not even being indited, not even to this day.因此,在這種情況下,看到因為它是超過7年,仍然是有罪的一方誰資助和911計劃尚未indited ,是不是唯一正確的和適當的第二個公正的調查,以添加所有新的證據,其中有曝光以來的第一次911疏漏報告,其中省略130 +救援人員的陳述所謂的調查,因為他們不支持的官方騙人的鬼話其中所使用的布什政權非法攻擊,儘管阿富汗的主要嫌疑人甚至不被indited ,甚至沒有這一天。

    If this writer has absolutely ANY credible evidence Osmar Binladen actually DID 911 he should give it to the FBI and CIA because - - they have ZERO!如果這個作家絕對任何可信的證據奧斯馬爾Binladen的確911他應該提供給美國聯邦調查局和中央情報局的,因為--他們零!

    And if he can’t provide the EVIDENCE - what does that say about this article???而且,如果他不能提供證據-這是什麼說對這篇文章? ? ?

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  2. Phracktivist Phracktivist
    Posted: Nov 13th, 2008 at 5:09 am 發布時間: 08年11月一十三日在上午05點09分

    Maximus V, I think you’re forgetting a few details…馬克西穆斯五,我想你忘了一些細節...

    1) These fanatics overpowered former military officers, with box cutters 1 )這些狂熱分子制服前軍官,與中剪子
    2) At a minimum, the fanatics that flew into the Pentagon performed aeronautical manoeuvres that top military pilots have said would be nearly impossible for someone of their skill level 2 )在最低限度,狂熱的飛進五角大樓進行航空演習的最高軍事飛行員們說,將是幾乎不可能有人對他們的技能水平
    3) These pilots in particular were called “dumb and dumber” by their flying instructor and could barely handle a cesna 3 )這些飛行員特別是被稱為“啞和阿瓜”他們的飛行教官和幾乎無法處理cesna
    4) Coincidentally - just like on 7/7, OKC, and Pearl Harbor (at a minimum, according to official sources) - there was a training exercise/war game in progress of the very same thing happening which delayed official response and noticeably confused air traffic controllers. 4 )巧合-就像在7 / 7 ,囊腫,並珍珠港(在最低限度,根據官方的消息來源) -有一個訓練演習/戰爭遊戲中取得的進展非常同樣的事情發生推遲了正式答复,並明顯地混淆空中交通管制。
    5) A minimum of 4 hijackers have turned up to be alive and well in another country. 5 )至少4劫機者已經出現,還活著,並在另一個國家。 Despite excuses based on conjecture, the FBI has told the BBC that they are positive that the individuals they named and later presented on Television are the right ones even though this is physically impossible儘管藉口猜想的基礎上,聯邦調查局已經告訴BBC說,他們是積極的,他們的個人命名,後來提出電視是正確的,即使這是不可能
    6) To clarify, the FBI has said that they “do not have enough evidence” to blame the attacks on Bin Laden. 6 )為了澄清,聯邦調查局已經表示,他們“沒有足夠的證據”指責襲擊本拉丹。
    7) Kean, and others from the Kean/911 Commission have said that they were set up to fail from the beginning and there was much obstruction to their inquiries. 7 )基恩和其他從Kean/911委員會說,他們成立了失敗從一開始就存在許多阻礙其調查。

    That is all :)這就是: )

    I think that when people start on their pseudo-scientific theories about 9/11 Truth and the individuals that make it up, they should take a long, hard look at people like Robert Steele who defy all of their pathetic, made-up stereotypes.我想,當人們開始對他們的偽科學理論, 9 / 11事件的真相和個人,使之上升時,他們應考慮一個長期,艱苦看看這樣的人羅伯特斯蒂爾誰藐視所有的可悲,取得的成見。 Here we have a former US spy of 20 years, an absolute expert on the issue of national intelligence, who originally came from the position that there was no 9/11 conspiracy only to change his mind “sadly” after reviewing the evidence for himself.在這裡,我們有一個前美國間諜的20年中,以絕對的專家對這個問題的國家情報,原來是誰的立場,沒有9 / 11陰謀只有他改變主意“可悲的”審查後,為自己的證據。

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