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9/11 Cultwatch in Dumfries 9 / 11 Cultwatch在邓弗里斯

Wednesday, November 12th, 2008 星期三, 2008年十一月12号

By通过 Paul Stott保罗斯托特 |

The bulk of the 9/11 Cultwatch talk at Glasgow University concentrated on the 9/11 Cultwatch paper presented to Loughborough University in September. 大部分的9 / 11 Cultwatch谈话格拉斯哥大学集中在9 / 11 Cultwatch文件提交给拉夫堡大学在9月。

However, the organisers in Dumfries requested some additional information as regards background, methodology and motivations.然而,在邓弗里斯组织者要求一些额外的资讯方面的背景,方法和动机。 These comments are reproduced below:这些意见转载如下:

What This Talk Is 这是对话

My talk is about the 9/11 ‘truth’ movement - very simply those groups, individuals and organisations who reject the view of Al Qaeda responsibility for the September 11 2001 terrorist attacks in the US.我的谈话是对9 / 11 '真相'运动-很简单,这些团体,个人和组织反对谁认为基地组织负责2 001年9月1 1恐怖袭击事件在美国。 This is not a talk about 9/11 itself, or US foreign policy or Osama Bin Laden.这不是一个谈论9 / 11事件本身,或美国的外交政策或乌萨马本拉丹。 What I will focus on is 9/11 and the Muslim world, the anti-semitism of the 9/11 truth movement and finally the offspring that 9/11 truth is nuturing - for example the 7/7 truth movement.我将集中在是9 / 11和穆斯林世界的反犹太主义的9 / 11真相运动和最终的后代是9 / 11的事实是nuturing -例如, 7 / 7真理运动。

Why? 为什么?

Two things motivated my interest in the 9/11 ‘truth’ movement.两件事出于我的兴趣在9 / 11 '真相'运动。 I’d been writing for many years for a magazine called我会一直写作多年的一本杂志称为 Notes From the Borderland注从边疆 . NFB had taken a long term interest in two former MI5 officers - David Shayler and Annie Machon, who had fallen out with the Security Service and launched new careers as public figures. NFB已采取了长远利益的两名前军情五处官员大卫-S hayler和安妮M achon,谁已脱离了与警卫人员和推出了新的职业作为公众人物。

We were unhappy at the naive and unquestioning welcome many in left/liberal circles gave them, especially when they offered no substantive information on the disruption of radical political groups by the police and security services, and worse their main argument seemed to be for a more efficient MI5.我们不满的天真和无条件地欢迎许多左/自由主义各界给他们,尤其是当他们提供任何实质性的信息扰乱激进的政治团体的警察和保安服务,并恶化其主要论点似乎是一个更军情五处效率。

In 2005 Machon and Shayler abruptly left the anti-war movement and moved into 9/11 truth circles, even though both had written articles on the dangers of Islamist terrorism, using 9/11 as an example.在2005年Machon和Shayler突然离开反战运动,搬进9 / 11真相界,即使都写文章的危险伊斯兰恐怖主义,利用9 / 11作为一个例子。 Something did not ring true.有没有真正的戒指。

The second motivation  was the behaviour of 9/11 truth activists themselves, particularly at the 2005 Anarchist Bookfair, where they used a high degree of subterfuge, coupled with intimidation on the day, to get David Shayler and Annie Machon into an event they would never otherwise have been allowed to enter.第二个动机是行为的9 / 11真相活动本身,尤其是在2005年无政府主义者Bookfair ,在那里他们用高度的花招,加上恐吓的一天,让大卫Shayler和安妮Machon到一个事件,他们决不会否则被允许进入。

Something was clearly happening here, and if we did not comment on it, no one else would?一些显然是发生在这里,如果我们没有评论,没有人会?

Methodology 方法论

My colleague Larry O’Hara likes to use the term ‘oppositional observation’.我的同事奥哈拉拉里喜欢使用的术语'对立观察。 For many years now he and I have gone to 9/11 truth meetings, spoken to their members and debated on their Internet forums.多年来,他和我已经去了9 / 11真相的会议,其发言和辩论的成员在其网上论坛。 We have interviewed disillusioned truthers, and been hissed and booed by those still active in the truth movement.我们采访了幻灭truthers ,并已hissed和嘘声的人仍然活跃在运动的真相。 I have now seen nearly all of the truth movements main speakers - certainly those who have visited the UK.我现在已经看到几乎所有的真理运动的主要发言者-当然这些谁已经访问了英国。

We have attempted to move beyond the truth movements obsession with the Internet, trying to keep a handle on the ever shifting volume of books on Islamist terrorism and 9/11, with a desire wherever possible to look at primary sources.我们试图超越真理运动痴迷互联网,试图保持处理上都转移数量的书籍和伊斯兰恐怖主义9 / 11 ,并希望在可能的情况下看主要来源。 Whatever its faults, people do need to read the 9/11 Commission Report, they do need to look at Bin Laden’s statements since 9/11 (how many truthers have looked at either?) and they do need to compare the shifting comments of some 9/11 truthers, especially as the truth industry continues to grow.无论其缺点,人们需要阅读的9 / 11委员会的报告,他们确实需要看看本拉丹的声明自9 / 11 (多少truthers已经看过要么? )和他们所需要的比较转移的意见一些9 / 11 truthers ,尤其是真理行业继续增长。

Background 背景

When I spoke at Loughborough University, one questionner rightly pointed out that in my paper there were few sources from ‘radical’ publications.当我谈到在拉夫堡大学,一个questionner正确地指出,在我的论文很少有来自'激进'的出版物。 In a way, I am a bit of a lone wolf in the developing field of Terrorism Studies, and even more so in writing critically about Islamist organisations.从某种意义上说,我有点孤独的狼在发展中国家反恐怖主义领域的研究,更以书面批评伊斯兰组织。

Many of those writing on this subject come from political backgrounds sympathetic to the security industry (eg the school at St Andrews University) or from left/liberal gackgrounds, perhaps journals such as许多人写就这个问题来自政治背景同情安全产业(如学校在圣安德鲁斯大学)或左/自由主义gackgrounds ,也许期刊如 Race & Class种族与阶级 , where society is usually see through a prism where the only real evils come from the West, and the United States in particular.在社会通常是看到通过棱镜的唯一真正的邪恶来自西方,尤其是美国。

I have issue with both of those traditions.我有两个问题,对这些传统。


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  1. Maximus V 马克西穆斯V
    Posted: Nov 12th, 2008 at 8:34 pm 发布时间: 2008年11月一十二日在下午8时34分

    What we need are some more labels like “Left/liberal” and “Truthers” and “Truth movement”.我们需要的是更多的标签,如“左/自由主义”和“ Truthers ”和“真理运动” 。

    Clearly this individual believes the official story which is this:显然,这个人认为,官方的故事是这样的:

    19 fanatical Muslim Terrorist,controlled by a man who lives in a cave, hijacked 4 large jets with box cutters and the threat of a bomb, and all on the same day defeated the US & NATO air defence with almost 100 % success, not once, but 4 times in the same 24 hour day, and not a single defence jet intercepted despite the hijackings being known about for considerable time and having altrady hit both twin towers was able to fully penetrate Pentagon airspace and slam into the Pentagon after hitting down 30 ft light polls and flying just feet off the ground for at least 1/4 mile defying all known laws of aerodynamics. 19狂热的穆斯林恐怖主义,控制谁一个人生活在一个山洞里,被劫持飞机第4大箱刀具和威胁有炸弹,而所有在同一天击败了美国和北约的防空,几乎100 %的成功,不是一次,但4次在同一天24小时,而不是一个单一的国防射流截获尽管劫持事件是了解的相当多的时间和altrady击中了这两个双塔是能够充分渗透五角大楼的领空和撞击五角大楼盘中下跌了30英尺轻调查和飞行只是脚离地面至少1 / 4英里藐视所有已知的空气动力学的法律。

    In addition two of the alleged DEAD hijackers still fly for Saudi Airlines and Osmar Binladen (they guy in the cave) has still not been indited for 911 because there is absolutely NO evidence according to the FBI & CIA.另外两名劫机者据称死仍然飞往沙特航空公司和奥斯马尔Binladen (家伙,他们在洞穴里)尚未indited为911 ,因为是绝对没有根据的证据,联邦调查局和中央情报局。

    Its a BIG FAT FACT - Osmar Binladen as of 12 November 2008 is still only a Suspect for the attacks of 911.它是一种盛大的事实-奥斯马尔B inladen截至2 008年1 1月1 2号依然只是一个犯罪嫌疑人的袭击事件9 11。

    So under these circumstances, seeing as it is more than 7 years and still the guilty party who financed and planned 911 have not been indited, is it not only right and proper to have a second impartial investigation to add all the new evidence of which has come to light since the first 911 Omission Report which omitted 130 + rescue workers statements from the so called inquiry because they did not support the official pack of lies which were used by the Bush regime to illegally attack Afghanistan despite the key suspect not even being indited, not even to this day.因此,在这种情况下,看到因为它是超过7年,仍然是有罪的一方谁资助和911计划尚未indited ,是不是唯一正确的和适当的第二个公正的调查,以添加所有新的证据,其中有曝光以来的第一次911疏漏报告,其中省略130 +救援人员的陈述所谓的调查,因为他们不支持的官方骗人的鬼话其中所使用的布什政权非法攻击,尽管阿富汗的主要嫌疑人甚至不被indited ,甚至没有这一天。

    If this writer has absolutely ANY credible evidence Osmar Binladen actually DID 911 he should give it to the FBI and CIA because - - they have ZERO!如果这个作家绝对任何可信的证据奥斯马尔Binladen的确911他应该提供给美国联邦调查局和中央情报局的,因为--他们零!

    And if he can’t provide the EVIDENCE - what does that say about this article???而且,如果他不能提供证据-这是什么说对这篇文章? ? ?

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  2. Phracktivist Phracktivist
    Posted: Nov 13th, 2008 at 5:09 am 发布时间: 08年11月一十三日在上午05点09分

    Maximus V, I think you’re forgetting a few details…马克西穆斯五,我想你忘了一些细节...

    1) These fanatics overpowered former military officers, with box cutters 1 )这些狂热分子制服前军官,与中剪子
    2) At a minimum, the fanatics that flew into the Pentagon performed aeronautical manoeuvres that top military pilots have said would be nearly impossible for someone of their skill level 2 )在最低限度,狂热的飞进五角大楼进行航空演习的最高军事飞行员们说,将是几乎不可能有人对他们的技能水平
    3) These pilots in particular were called “dumb and dumber” by their flying instructor and could barely handle a cesna 3 )这些飞行员特别是被称为“哑和阿瓜”他们的飞行教官和几乎无法处理cesna
    4) Coincidentally - just like on 7/7, OKC, and Pearl Harbor (at a minimum, according to official sources) - there was a training exercise/war game in progress of the very same thing happening which delayed official response and noticeably confused air traffic controllers. 4 )巧合-就像在7 / 7 ,囊肿,并珍珠港(在最低限度,根据官方的消息来源) -有一个训练演习/战争游戏中取得的进展非常同样的事情发生推迟了正式答复,并明显地混淆空中交通管制。
    5) A minimum of 4 hijackers have turned up to be alive and well in another country. 5 )至少4劫机者已经出现,还活着,并在另一个国家。 Despite excuses based on conjecture, the FBI has told the BBC that they are positive that the individuals they named and later presented on Television are the right ones even though this is physically impossible尽管借口猜想的基础上,联邦调查局已经告诉BBC说,他们是积极的,他们的个人命名,后来提出电视是正确的,即使这是不可能
    6) To clarify, the FBI has said that they “do not have enough evidence” to blame the attacks on Bin Laden. 6 )为了澄清,联邦调查局已经表示,他们“没有足够的证据”指责袭击本拉丹。
    7) Kean, and others from the Kean/911 Commission have said that they were set up to fail from the beginning and there was much obstruction to their inquiries. 7 )基恩和其他从Kean/911委员会说,他们成立了失败从一开始就存在许多阻碍其调查。

    That is all :)这就是: )

    I think that when people start on their pseudo-scientific theories about 9/11 Truth and the individuals that make it up, they should take a long, hard look at people like Robert Steele who defy all of their pathetic, made-up stereotypes.我想,当人们开始对他们的伪科学理论, 9 / 11事件的真相和个人,使之上升时,他们应考虑一个长期,艰苦看看这样的人罗伯特斯蒂尔谁藐视所有的可悲,取得的成见。 Here we have a former US spy of 20 years, an absolute expert on the issue of national intelligence, who originally came from the position that there was no 9/11 conspiracy only to change his mind “sadly” after reviewing the evidence for himself.在这里,我们有一个前美国间谍的20年中,以绝对的专家对这个问题的国家情报,原来是谁的立场,没有9 / 11阴谋只有他改变主意“可悲的”审查后,为自己的证据。

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