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9/11 Cultwatch in Dumfries

Woensdag, 12 November, 2008

Door Paul Stott |

Het grootste deel van de 9/11 bespreking Cultwatch bij de Universiteit van Glasgow legde op het 9/11 document Cultwatch de nadruk dat aan Universiteit Loughborough in September wordt voorgelegd.

Nochtans, verzochten de organisatoren in Dumfries om wat extra informatie betreffende achtergrond, methodologie en motivatie. Deze commentaren worden gereproduceerd hieronder:

Wat Deze Bespreking is

Mijn bespreking is over de 9/11 `waarheids' beweging - zeer eenvoudig vallen die groepen, individuen en organisaties die de mening van Al Qaeda verantwoordelijkheid voor 11 September de terrorist verwerpen van 2001 in de V.S. aan. Dit is een bespreking over 9/11 zelf, of beleid of geen Oussama ben Laden van de V.S. het buitenlandse. Wat ik zal concentreren op is 9/11 en de Moslimwereld, anti-semitism van de 9/11 waarheidsbeweging en tenslotte de nakomelingen die 9/11 waarheid - bijvoorbeeld de 7/7 waarheidsbeweging nuturing.

Waarom?

Twee dingen motiveerden mijn rente in de 9/11 `waarheids' beweging. Ik had vele jaren voor een geroepen tijdschrift geschreven Nota's van het Grensgebied. NFB had een rente op lange termijn in twee vroegere MI5 ambtenaren - David Shayler genomen en? Annie Machon, had wie met de Dienst van de Veiligheid en de gelanceerde nieuwe carrières als openbare cijfers. ruzie gemaakt?

Wij waren ongelukkig bij naïeve en unquestioning welkom velen in linker/liberale cirkels? gaf hen, vooral wanneer? zij boden geen aanzienlijke informatie over de verstoring van radicale politieke groepen door de politie en de veiligheidsdiensten aan, en slechter scheen hun hoofdargument te zijn? voor efficiëntere MI5.

In 2005 verlieten Machon en Shayler abrupt de anti-war beweging en bewogen zich in 9/11 waarheidscirkels, alhoewel allebei artikelen hadden geschreven? de gevaren van terrorisme Islamist die, 9/11 als voorbeeld gebruikt. Iets belde waar niet.

De tweede motivatie?? was het gedrag van 9/11 waarheidsactivisten zelf, in het bijzonder bij Bookfair van de Anarchist van 2005, waar zij een hoge graad van subterfuge gebruikten, die aan intimidatie op de dag wordt gekoppeld, David Shayler en Annie Machon in een gebeurtenis te krijgen zij nooit anders om zouden toegestaan zijn in te gaan.

Iets gebeurde duidelijk hier, en als wij niet op het commentaar gaven, anders niemand?

Methodologie

Mijn collega Larry O' Hara houdt van de term `oppositional observatie' te gebruiken. vele jaren nu is hij en ik naar 9/11 waarheidsvergaderingen gegaan, aan hun leden gesproken en op hun forums van Internet gedebatteerd. Wij hebben ontgoochelde truthers geïnterviewdr, en en booed door die nog actief in de waarheidsbeweging gesist. I have now seen nearly all of the truth movements main speakers - certainly those who have visited the UK.

We have attempted to move beyond the truth movements obsession with the Internet, trying to keep a handle on the ever shifting volume of books on Islamist terrorism and 9/11, with a desire wherever possible to look at primary sources. Whatever its faults, people do need to read the 9/11 Commission Report, they do need to look at Bin Laden’s statements since 9/11 (how many truthers have looked at either?) and they do need to compare the shifting comments of some 9/11 truthers, especially as the truth industry continues to grow.

Background

When I spoke at Loughborough University, one questionner rightly pointed out that in my paper there were few sources from ‘radical’ publications. In a way, I am a bit of a lone wolf in the developing field of Terrorism Studies, and even more so in writing critically about Islamist organisations.

Many of those writing on this subject come from political backgrounds sympathetic to the security industry (e.g. the school at St Andrews University) or from left/liberal gackgrounds, perhaps journals such as Race & Class, where society is usually?see through a prism where?the only real evils come from the West, and the United States in particular.?

I?have issue with both of those traditions. ?


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  1. Maximus V
    Posted: Nov 12th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    What we need are some more labels like “Left/liberal” and “Truthers” and “Truth movement”.

    Clearly this individual believes the official story which is this:

    19 fanatical Muslim Terrorist,controlled by a man who lives in a cave, hijacked 4 large jets with box cutters and the threat of a bomb, and all on the same day defeated the US & NATO air defence with almost 100 % success, not once, but 4 times in the same 24 hour day, and not a single defence jet intercepted despite the hijackings being known about for considerable time and having altrady hit both twin towers was able to fully penetrate Pentagon airspace and slam into the Pentagon after hitting down 30 ft light polls and flying just feet off the ground for at least 1/4 mile defying all known laws of aerodynamics.

    In addition two of the alleged DEAD hijackers still fly for Saudi Airlines and Osmar Binladen (they guy in the cave) has still not been indited for 911 because there is absolutely NO evidence according to the FBI & CIA.

    Its a BIG FAT FACT - Osmar Binladen as of 12 November 2008 is still only a Suspect for the attacks of 911.

    So under these circumstances, seeing as it is more than 7 years and still the guilty party who financed and planned 911 have not been indited, is it not only right and proper to have a second impartial investigation to add all the new evidence of which has come to light since the first 911 Omission Report which omitted 130 + rescue workers statements from the so called inquiry because they did not support the official pack of lies which were used by the Bush regime to illegally attack Afghanistan despite the key suspect not even being indited, not even to this day.

    If this writer has absolutely ANY credible evidence Osmar Binladen actually DID 911 he should give it to the FBI and CIA because - - they have ZERO!

    And if he can’t provide the EVIDENCE - what does that say about this article???

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  2. Phracktivist
    Posted: Nov 13th, 2008 at 5:09 am

    Maximus V, I think you’re forgetting a few details…

    1) These fanatics overpowered former military officers, with box cutters
    2) At a minimum, the fanatics that flew into the Pentagon performed aeronautical manoeuvres that top military pilots have said would be nearly impossible for someone of their skill level
    3) These pilots in particular were called “dumb and dumber” by their flying instructor and could barely handle a cesna
    4) Coincidentally - just like on 7/7, OKC, and Pearl Harbor (at a minimum, according to official sources) - there was a training exercise/war game in progress of the very same thing happening which delayed official response and noticeably confused air traffic controllers.
    5) A minimum of 4 hijackers have turned up to be alive and well in another country. Despite excuses based on conjecture, the FBI has told the BBC that they are positive that the individuals they named and later presented on Television are the right ones even though this is physically impossible
    6) To clarify, the FBI has said that they “do not have enough evidence” to blame the attacks on Bin Laden.
    7) Kean, and others from the Kean/911 Commission have said that they were set up to fail from the beginning and there was much obstruction to their inquiries.

    That is all :)

    I think that when people start on their pseudo-scientific theories about 9/11 Truth and the individuals that make it up, they should take a long, hard look at people like Robert Steele who defy all of their pathetic, made-up stereotypes. Here we have a former US spy of 20 years, an absolute expert on the issue of national intelligence, who originally came from the position that there was no 9/11 conspiracy only to change his mind “sadly” after reviewing the evidence for himself.

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