9/11 Cultwatch in Dumfries

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1. Maximus V Posted: Nov 12th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

   What we need are some more labels like “Left/liberal” and “Truthers” and “Truth movement”. Clearly this individual believes the official story which is this: 19 fanatical Muslim Terrorist,controlled by a man who lives in a cave, hijacked 4 large jets with box cutters and the threat of a bomb, and all on the same day defeated the US & NATO air defence with almost 100 % success, not once, but 4 times in the same 24 hour day, and not a single defence jet intercepted despite the hijackings being known about for considerable time and having altrady hit both twin towers was able to fully penetrate Pentagon airspace and slam into the Pentagon after hitting down 30 ft light polls and flying just feet off the ground for at least 1/4 mile defying all known laws of aerodynamics. In addition two of the alleged DEAD hijackers still fly for Saudi Airlines and Osmar Binladen (they guy in the cave) has still not been indited for 911 because there is absolutely NO evidence according to the FBI & CIA. Its a BIG FAT FACT - Osmar Binladen as of 12 November 2008 is still only a Suspect for the attacks of 911. So under these circumstances, seeing as it is more than 7 years and still the guilty party who financed and planned 911 have not been indited, is it not only right and proper to have a second impartial investigation to add all the new evidence of which has come to light since the first 911 Omission Report which omitted 130 + rescue workers statements from the so called inquiry because they did not support the official pack of lies which were used by the Bush regime to illegally attack Afghanistan despite the key suspect not even being indited, not even to this day. If this writer has absolutely ANY credible evidence Osmar Binladen actually DID 911 he should give it to the FBI and CIA because - - they have ZERO! And if he can’t provide the EVIDENCE - what does that say about this article??? Reply | Quote selected text | Link to this

2. Phracktivist Posted: Nov 13th, 2008 at 5:09 am

   Maximus V, I think you’re forgetting a few details… 1) These fanatics overpowered former military officers, with box cutters 2) At a minimum, the fanatics that flew into the Pentagon performed aeronautical manoeuvres that top military pilots have said would be nearly impossible for someone of their skill level 3) These pilots in particular were called “dumb and dumber” by their flying instructor and could barely handle a cesna 4) Coincidentally - just like on 7/7, OKC, and Pearl Harbor (at a minimum, according to official sources) - there was a training exercise/war game in progress of the very same thing happening which delayed official response and noticeably confused air traffic controllers. 5) A minimum of 4 hijackers have turned up to be alive and well in another country. Despite excuses based on conjecture, the FBI has told the BBC that they are positive that the individuals they named and later presented on Television are the right ones even though this is physically impossible 6) To clarify, the FBI has said that they “do not have enough evidence” to blame the attacks on Bin Laden. 7) Kean, and others from the Kean/911 Commission have said that they were set up to fail from the beginning and there was much obstruction to their inquiries. That is all :) I think that when people start on their pseudo-scientific theories about 9/11 Truth and the individuals that make it up, they should take a long, hard look at people like Robert Steele who defy all of their pathetic, made-up stereotypes. Here we have a former US spy of 20 years, an absolute expert on the issue of national intelligence, who originally came from the position that there was no 9/11 conspiracy only to change his mind “sadly” after reviewing the evidence for himself. Reply | Quote selected text | Link to this

3. Equal Measure Posted: Nov 13th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

   Ah, so 911 Cultwatch is making the claim that it is against the 911 truth movement and it’s tactics, which I was of the understanding were a group of people that had formed to expose in their view, the official lie concerning the events of 911. 911 Cultwatch, on its website claims that it was created, not only as an attempt to combat the anti-Semitism that it claims has seeped into the 911 truth movement, but also the harassments received at various venues from 911 truth people including David Shayler and Annie Machon, and being ex MI5 agents, they may have indeed infiltrated the truth movement, in my view that is a high probability. But, it is also quite clear that after reading the article above by Paul Stott, that it is not only the 911 truth movement, Shayler and Machon that are targets of 911 Cultwatch, but any individual that finds difficulty believing the official version of events that happened that day. 911 Cultwatch claim that they fear the rise of anti-Semitism that they see growing from the 911 truth movement, I for one applaud them for taking a stand against anti-Semitism, although I do have a problem with Zionism, but we have to remember that not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews, however, Zionism is a growing problem that the world has to deal with, it is just a matter of how it is dealt with and it is very unfortunate that ordinary Jews are caught up in the fray, again that is a problem we all have to deal with. But in the case at hand 911 Cultwatch has decided that every individual that seeks the truth concerning 911 should be painted with the same “cult” brush. See here: (My talk is about the 9/11 ‘truth’ movement - very simply those groups, INDIVIDUALS and organisations who reject the view of Al Qaeda responsibility for the September 11 2001 terrorist attacks in the US.) Can anybody see the hypocrisy in this statement? So, while trying to combat anti-Semitism 911 Cultwatch is actually attacking every individual that does not believe the official version of events handed down to them by the Bush/Cheney administration, and of course they are expecting us to believe what this administration and the Blair government has told us, after the lies concerning WMD in Iraq? The claim that any individual truth seeker regarding the events of 911 is a part of a cult is simply preposterous, a similar tactic that was also used against the Jews by the Nazis just before the second world war when they were targeted and given the label of a yellow badge and had their shop windows painted with the word “Juden”, the only difference between the labels the Jews were given and the label 911 Cultwatch are using, are words, i.e. “cult”, and I would imagine that 911 Cultwatch would be quite happy to see terms like “conspiraloon”, “conspiracy nut” etc, being used as a weapon against seekers of truth in 911 cultwatch’s quest to destroy what they see as the enemy. The word “cult”, is a very emotive term and has been used on many occasions by the mainstream media in an attempt to discredit many groups that appear to believe or live outside of the norm, and very successfully I might add, and in some instances has lead to the death of those in a group, while at the end of an operation like say Waco,the public just turns away and just thinks to itself, “well they were just part of a cult anyway, shame for the children though.” Job done and the media will then turn its attention elsewhere. By taking this stance 911 Cultwatch and now RINF (Because RINF allows the official version of events onto its front page, while in the forum truth seekers beliefs are relegated to the fringe section where they can be disappeared and threads even closed when things might get a little too hot) are taking the side of the Bush when he made this statement at the UN; “Outrageous conspiracy theories regarding the events of 911 should never be tolerated”, In other words “make anybody searching for the truth regarding the events of 911 your enemy and the enemy of the USA!” Typical fascist tactics, shame on you RINF for allowing this to happen, for in a true democracy and for the sake of free speech, both sides should be allowed to be heard equally and not one version hidden away in some dark corner. Reply | Quote selected text | Link to this

4. Maximus V Posted: Nov 13th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

   Thought stopper ALERT !!!! STOP THINKING !!! So, if you question the official 911 ridiculous official “Conspiracy” story you are ANTI Semitic according to “CULT WATCH”. I have said this before and I will say it again because it is true & relevant, there are two typed of FASCISM, those that follow the Star Shaped SWASTIKA and those who follow the Square shaped SWASTIKA , and neither the twain shall meet and neither of these groups can see sense, it is just beyond their abilities as people! Cult watch are Star Shaped FASCISTS. They want to stop people thinking and they label any member of the public who does not swallow the official BUSH/Cheney / Blair/Brown Garbage as “Anti Semitic TRooFERS” Well let me set them straight - unless “CULT WATCH” can post HERE Court worthy evidence that Osmar Binladen (OR ANY other MUSLIM/Arab/Semite person) actually did 911 - then it is they who are ANTI Semitic, because they are blaming Arabs/ Semites for the attacks of which there is ZERO court worthy evidence! So who is the REAL RACIST? Answer: Those who blindly swallow the BUSH FASCIST STORY and try and stop the truth being identified while Bush continues to attack SEMITES! Reply | Quote selected text | Link to this

5. Mick Meaney Posted: Nov 13th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

   Quote: for in a true democracy and for the sake of free speech, both sides should be allowed to be heard equally and not one version hidden away in some dark corner. The truth movement would be a joke if it wasn’t so racist. The Fringe section of the forum allows most forms of conspiracy shyte (no racism, no tv fakery), which is quiet generous if you ask me, we could have an outright ban on all conspiracy theories. You don’t like it? Join the forum editorial board and state your case, otherwise it’s not my problem. Here’s an idea.. invade a football match with your message, that’s sure to work… no, wait a second.. Reply | Quote selected text | Link to this

6. Maximus V Posted: Nov 13th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

   I personally like looking in the fringe section. You chaps do OK and will do just fine. And we all make errors from time to time including “Cult Watch”. So, were are there 4 or so members? Have they run off and hidden because they had forgotten that Osama Binladen is still only a suspect? Were is the court worthy EVIDENCE that ANY “Muslim Semite” did 911? If there is NO evidence and NO evidence forthcoming then it is only right and proper there should be a new impartial investigation into 911? Is that being Racist to ask for a new impartial investigation into 911? Reply | Quote selected text | Link to this

7. Mick Meaney Posted: Nov 13th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

   Quote: Is that being Racist to ask for a new impartial investigation into 911? Nope course not. However most truthers have already made up their minds and nothing is going to convince them otherwise. One of the points 9/11 Cultwatch make, which I strongly agree with, is the conduct of the truth movement. They will aggressively attack anybody who does not share their beliefs, in no other area of the anti-war movement does this happen. When I realised it was more of a way for idiots to gain notoriety within conspiracy circles than a progressive movement, not to the mention the industry that had sprung up around it, the amount of racism in the movement, the involvement of MI5, needless to say it wasn’t for me and left. Instead of saying each to their own, a chairman of the movement claimed I was working with the Illuminati. This is paranoid cult-like behaviour and a completely irrational way to view somebody who has different political views. The sad thing is I’m not alone, many people have experienced this kind treatment and many have been treated far, far worse than me just for airing their views. Do I want to run as site that allows people like that to run wild? I don’t think so. This was one of the first sites in the UK to call for a new investigation into 9/11 — but not because of conspiracy theories (at that time activists had legitimate questions that didn’t involve “inside job” mantras or making unfounded accusations, we focused on the information the American Government had months before the attacks, why first responders were allowed to work in conditions without proper equipment and why they are not receiving the correct medical care, the loss of civil liberties as a result of 9/11, the illegal invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, the use of illegal weapons, the corrupt military-industrial complex, the inhumane detention and torture of innocent people at Guantanamo bay and Abu Grade, mass (often illegal) surveillance, etc etc, the list goes on. Yet none of this matters to the truthers, probably because it doesn’t get them hits on Youtube). Today a group are calling themselves the “truth” movement when in fact nothing could be further from the truth, now it only serves to hide factual information under a mountain of misinformation. They are pathetic and deserve to be mocked the way they usually are. Reply | Quote selected text | Link to this

8. Maximus V Posted: Nov 14th, 2008 at 11:22 pm

   Good, we all want a proper new investigation into the 911 mass murder - including “creepy” “Cult Watch”. - - NOW, one man’s “Racism” is another man’s “Free Speech”. - - I oppose Zionists and Zionism because it is Racism! - - I do not oppose Jews or the Jewish religion or any other religion. - - Real Jews are not Zionists. - - Zionists are Nazi, racist Israelis who claim to be Jews. - - Just like Hitler claimed to be Christian. - - With all due respect - look at the clear evidence MM - go to your own War and Terrorism section and check out the article: Israel punishes GAZA with UN food aid ban. - - Attacking Palestinians is Anti- Semitic & Racism in my view! - Racism is not condemning the actions of the Israeli Junter, that is our Duty! Reply | Quote selected text | Link to this

9. Jun Posted: Mar 2nd, 2009 at 6:55 pm

   is there a way to become a content writer for the site? Reply | Quote selected text | Link to this