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議院盤區在Waterboarding得到過多的話
星期五, 2007年11月9日
竟管吵嘴在D.C.,專家言審訊方法是酷刑,必須從未使用 (CBS/AP) 聽力在酷刑在國會山莊,并且本身今天開始發射了入一種抗議大約由五角大樓堵嘴的一個證人。 Lt。 Col. v. 斯圖爾特長沙發、一位前關塔那摩海灣檢察官和罪犯海軍海洋軍團法院的上訴法院法官呼籲,預定今天出現在眾院小組委員會面前作證關於對waterboarding的用途和酷刑和其他審訊技術的合法。 在3月31日華爾街日報故事,長沙發認為他拒绝檢控一個被懷疑的恐怖分子,因為他相信證據由酷刑感染了。 學報今天顯露了五角大樓堵了嘴長沙發,防止他出現在今天聽證會。 「我發現它粗暴的管理再選擇阻礙對一些非常嚴肅的指控進行調查」, Rep。 Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y.,說在今天聽證會, 「并且拷打的粗暴的要求-或什麼您要叫它-是合法和在我們的國家利益。 「問題,在這個小組委員會不可能今天是更加嚴肅的之前」,增加的Nadler。 「并且再次,當重要問題需要被回答時,我們被告訴沒人有權利對管理表示懷疑。 「我對秘密和阻礙是非常疲乏由這管理」。 出現的那些人,在小組委員會今天沒持有疑義之前法律是清楚的: 「Waterboarding是酷刑,期間」, Malcolm Wrightson Nance,戰俘和恐怖分子人質生存節目的一位前海軍輔導員,說。 「我相信我們必須拒绝對waterboard的用途為囚犯和俘虜和洗滌這個汙點從我們的全國榮譽」。 聽力來,因為參議院領導奮鬥對確認表決的時間達成協議為檢察長被提名人邁克爾Mukasey,拒绝視同waterboarding以非法酷刑,或者說總統沒有權利命令它的用途。 前退休的法官預計贏取確認,但他的提名由布什政府在被拘留者激勵了一次苦澀辯論關於waterboarding和它的授權的可疑的合法。 The interrogation procedure, which makes the subject think he’s drowning, is banned by domestic law and international treaties. It has reportedly been used by CIA interrogators on terrorism suspects, or by those to whom U.S. prisoners have been sent via rendition flights. Mukasey’s repeated refusal to testify that waterboarding is illegal torture cost him the votes of most Democrats on the Judiciary Committee, and there remains the threat of a filibuster when the vote comes to the full Senate. He won the votes of two Democrats, Sens. Charles Schumer of New York and Dianne Feinstein of California, with an assurance that he would enforce any additional ban on the practice passed by Congress. Both houses are considering legislation to ban the procedure in all circumstances. The debate shifted to the House Thursday, as the subcommittee, chaired by Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a Democrat, convened a hearing on how the procedure is carried out and whether it meets the legal definition of torture. As a former master training specialist in survival programs, Nance said that he underwent waterboarding as part of his training and that he personally led or was involved in using the procedure on hundreds of other trainees at the Navy’s Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School. Nance described the experience as a “slow motion suffocation” that provides enough time for the subject to consider what’s happening: “water overpowering your gag reflex, and then feel(ing) your throat open and allow pint after pint of water to involuntarily fill your lungs.” “The victim is drowning,” Nance said in materials submitted with his testimony. The intent during training, he added, is to stop the process before death occurs. Training sessions are where waterboarding belongs, not as part of efforts to gain intelligence information from foreign agents, said a second witness. Such “coercive” interrogation techniques are not as effective as those that elicit cooperation, because false information is often elicited under harsher methods, said Col. Steven Kleinman, a senior intelligence officer and military interrogator for the U.S. Air Force Reserves. “Tragically, many of these same tactics have migrated into the repertoire of interrogators seeking intelligence information,” Kleinman said. The costs of torture are beyond the physical or emotional pain caused to the subject, or to the damage to prosecution cases against suspects, where information obtained through torture must be thrown out. Nance testified that the United States has wholly failed in its ability to influence the hearts and minds of those in the Middle East because of the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison and Guantanamo Bay, and the invasion of Iraq. He said many in the Middle East believe what the United States is doing comes out of pure malice, and that it will take “decades of very hard work” to turn that image around. Kleinman and Nance both said that the reasons such coercive techniques have been used is that those in charge of interrogations are overruled by those higher up who, they say, are wrongly influenced by media representations of torture, like the TV show “24,” and ignore the body of evidence that shows torture does not work. “Technically they’re doing a form of what we jokingly call ‘Tom Clancy procedures,’” Nance said. “‘It works in the book, it must work in real life.’” Their comments were followed up by the subcommittee’s ranking member, Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., who said he is against torture but that “sometimes we have to take measures to protect the innocent that we do not like. “Severe interrogations are sometimes part of doing that,” added Franks, who asked the panel if a ticking bomb scenario meant that such procedures could be legitimized. Kleinman said such speculative questions only cloud the issue, and that coarser techniques only produce information that can’t be trusted even if some of the information were valid. “I can’t cherry pick” to determine if the subject was trustworthy, he said. During the hearing, Kleinman was asked if a legal definition of torture was comparable to that of obscenity - you know it when you see it. Kleinman said that if lawmakers were to witness the procedures enacted, “any discussion about the use of those methods would cease immediately.” © MMVII, CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. 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