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家のパネルはWaterboardingのEarfulを得る
金曜日、2007年11月9日
D.C.の口論にもかかわらず、質問が方法苦悶であることを専門家は言う、決して使用されてはならない (CBS/AP) 苦悶のヒアリングは国会今日開き、自体で米国国防総省によってギャグで加工された1人の証人についての抗議に進水した。 Lt。 Col. V。 犯罪者の海軍海洋隊裁判所のスチュワートのソファ、前のグアンタナモ湾の遂行者および上訴裁判官はwaterboardingの使用および苦悶および他の質問の技術の合法性について証明する懇願したり、下院小委員会の前に今日ようであることになっていた。 3月31日ウォールストリート・ジャーナルの物語では、ソファは証拠は苦悶によって感染したことを彼が信じたので彼が疑われたテロリストを行なうことを断ったことを言った。 ジャーナルは米国国防総省がギャグで加工したことを今日明らかにした今日のヒアリングで彼が現われることを防ぐソファを。 「私は管理が再度ある非常に重罪に調査を阻止することを選んだあることがことそれを非道な」 Rep見つける。 Jerrold Nadler、D-N.Y.は今日のヒアリングで、「言い、無理に曲る非道な要求は正当、私達の国益に-またはそれを呼んでほしいものは何でも-である。 「この小委員会が今日より深刻であることができなかった前に問題」加えられるNadler。 「重要な質問が答えられる必要があるときもう一度、私達は誰も管理に質問する権利がないこと言われ。 「私はこの管理によって秘密および阻止に非常に疲れている」。 けれども法律は明確であること小委員会が今日疑いを残さなかった前に現われた人: 「Waterboarding苦悶であると、期間」、はMalcolm Wrightson Nance、捕虜およびテロリストの人質の存続プログラムの前の海軍教官は、言った。 「私は私達が」。囚人および捕虜のためのwaterboardの使用を拒絶し、私達の国民の名誉からのこの汚れを清潔にしなければならないことを信じる ヒアリングは上院のリーダーが違法苦悶とwaterboardingを一致することを断ったまたは大統領に使用を発注する権利がないと言うために来る司法長官被任命者ミハエルMukaseyのための確認の投票のタイミングに同意するために努力したので。 前の退職させた裁判官は確認に勝つと期待されるが彼の指名は抑留者のブッシュ政権によってwaterboardingおよび承認の不審な合法性についての苦い討論をスパークさせた。 The interrogation procedure, which makes the subject think he’s drowning, is banned by domestic law and international treaties. It has reportedly been used by CIA interrogators on terrorism suspects, or by those to whom U.S. prisoners have been sent via rendition flights. Mukasey’s repeated refusal to testify that waterboarding is illegal torture cost him the votes of most Democrats on the Judiciary Committee, and there remains the threat of a filibuster when the vote comes to the full Senate. He won the votes of two Democrats, Sens. Charles Schumer of New York and Dianne Feinstein of California, with an assurance that he would enforce any additional ban on the practice passed by Congress. Both houses are considering legislation to ban the procedure in all circumstances. The debate shifted to the House Thursday, as the subcommittee, chaired by Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a Democrat, convened a hearing on how the procedure is carried out and whether it meets the legal definition of torture. As a former master training specialist in survival programs, Nance said that he underwent waterboarding as part of his training and that he personally led or was involved in using the procedure on hundreds of other trainees at the Navy’s Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School. Nance described the experience as a “slow motion suffocation” that provides enough time for the subject to consider what’s happening: “water overpowering your gag reflex, and then feel(ing) your throat open and allow pint after pint of water to involuntarily fill your lungs.” “The victim is drowning,” Nance said in materials submitted with his testimony. The intent during training, he added, is to stop the process before death occurs. Training sessions are where waterboarding belongs, not as part of efforts to gain intelligence information from foreign agents, said a second witness. Such “coercive” interrogation techniques are not as effective as those that elicit cooperation, because false information is often elicited under harsher methods, said Col. Steven Kleinman, a senior intelligence officer and military interrogator for the U.S. Air Force Reserves. “Tragically, many of these same tactics have migrated into the repertoire of interrogators seeking intelligence information,” Kleinman said. The costs of torture are beyond the physical or emotional pain caused to the subject, or to the damage to prosecution cases against suspects, where information obtained through torture must be thrown out. Nance testified that the United States has wholly failed in its ability to influence the hearts and minds of those in the Middle East because of the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison and Guantanamo Bay, and the invasion of Iraq. He said many in the Middle East believe what the United States is doing comes out of pure malice, and that it will take “decades of very hard work” to turn that image around. Kleinman and Nance both said that the reasons such coercive techniques have been used is that those in charge of interrogations are overruled by those higher up who, they say, are wrongly influenced by media representations of torture, like the TV show “24,” and ignore the body of evidence that shows torture does not work. “Technically they’re doing a form of what we jokingly call ‘Tom Clancy procedures,’” Nance said. “‘It works in the book, it must work in real life.’” Their comments were followed up by the subcommittee’s ranking member, Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., who said he is against torture but that “sometimes we have to take measures to protect the innocent that we do not like. “Severe interrogations are sometimes part of doing that,” added Franks, who asked the panel if a ticking bomb scenario meant that such procedures could be legitimized. Kleinman said such speculative questions only cloud the issue, and that coarser techniques only produce information that can’t be trusted even if some of the information were valid. “I can’t cherry pick” to determine if the subject was trustworthy, he said. During the hearing, Kleinman was asked if a legal definition of torture was comparable to that of obscenity - you know it when you see it. Kleinman said that if lawmakers were to witness the procedures enacted, “any discussion about the use of those methods would cease immediately.” ? MMVII, CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. 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