Gallup: Americans Want Socialized Healthcare

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Eric Zuesse

Most Americans want Obamacare to be replaced by what Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders proposes and what both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump oppose: “Replacing the ACA [Affordable Care Act — Obamacare] with a federally funded healthcare program providing insurance for all Americans.” That’s 58% of Americans in the survey. Only 37% were opposed. 5% had “No opinion.”

Clinton proposes to build upon Obama’s ACA, but 51% in this Gallup survey say they want it repealed; only 45% want it to continue in any form (other than, presumably, socialized medicine, which, as was just noted, 58% of Americans want). Consequently, one of the, if not the, main, reason(s), why Americans want ACA repealed, is in order to obtain socialized healthcare (a possibility that candidate Obama had promised as a possibility in his ‘public option’, which he never even tried to include in his actual healthcare law, the ACA).

Donald Trump proposes to repeal ACA and simply go back to the old system, but in a form which enables all insurers to provide plans in all states.

On 19 August 2008, shortly after Obama had won the Democratic Presidential nomination, the Wall Street Journal bannered “Obama Touts Single-Payer System for Health Care,” and reported: “‘If I were designing a system from scratch, I would probably go ahead with a single-payer system,’ Obama told some 1,800 people at a town-hall style meeting on the economy,” which was held as a campaign-event in Albuquerque. This statement by Obama was bold; he was at that time appealing for votes not just in a Democratic primary, but now in the general Presidential race, where he had to appeal not merely to liberals, but to a broader cross-section of voters. But he also promised there a ‘public option’ to be included in his plan, and yet even that promise was abandoned by him the very moment he entered the White House — he never pushed for it, and he selected Max Baucus in the Senate to draft his plan: Baucus was firmly opposed to including any “public option”; that’s one of the reasons why Obama picked him.

Britain’s Independent offered the scientific evidence about this policy-issue, when it bannered, on 15 August 2009, “The Brutal Truth About America’s Healthcare,” and presented actual statistics from WHO and OECD in 2009:

Health spending as share of GDP: US 16%; UK 8.4%

Public spending on healthcare (% of total spending on healthcare): US 45%; UK 82%.

Per-capita healthcare spending [including both public & private]: US $7,290; UK $2,992.

Practising physicians per 1,000 people: US: 2.4; UK 2.5.

Nurses per 1,000 people: US 10.6; UK 10.0.

Acute care hospital beds per 1,000 people: US 2.7; UK 2.6.

Life expectancy: US 78; UK 80.

Infant mortality per 1,000 live births: US 6.7; UK 4.8.

On 26 October 2009, Reuters headlined “Healthcare System Wastes Up To $800 Billion a Year,” and reported: “The U.S. healthcare system is just as wasteful as President Barack Obama says it is, and proposed reforms could be paid for by fixing some of the most obvious inefficiencies,” such as “fraud,” “duplicate tests,” and “redundant paperwork.” Moreover, “The average U.S. hospital spends one-quarter of its budget on billing and administration, nearly twice the average in Canada [which has comprehensive socialized health insurance].” And yet Republicans were accusing the new Democratic President of threatening to bankrupt the country by pressing to change the U.S. system of health insurance; and opinion polls showed that lots of Americans were terrified of such change. 

Just a week later, The New York Times bannered on November 5th, “Costs Surge for Medical Devices, but Benefits Are Opaque,” and Barry Meier reported how the major medical device manufacturers had blocked an attempt by the Federal Government to measure the effectiveness of stents, artificial hips, and other medical devices; and how these manufacturers managed to achieve phenomenal profit margins, ranging from a low of 23% to a high of 30%: the combination of kickbacks to doctors, plus a lack of objective measures of effectiveness, was the “invisible hand” at work — Adam Smith’s economics in the real world, where the top pickpockets are actually the aristocracy. (Smith’s patron happened to be the Duke of Buccleuch — Henry Scott.) 

Reuters headlined on 14 March 2012, “Factbox: Healthcare by the Numbers,” and reported the latest “Health at a Glance 2011 – OECD Indicators.” The U.S was “1st in Spending … 17.9 percent of U.S. annual gross domestic product, or $8,402” per person. Though we had the highest medical costs, the U.S. was at or near the bottom in terms of healthcare delivered: 25th in Preventing Death from Heart Disease, 27th in Life Expectancy, 29th in Number of Practicing Doctors (per 1,000 population), 29th in Doctor Consultations, 30th in Hospital Beds, 30th in Medical Graduates, 31st in Health Coverage (insurance), 31st in Infant Mortality, and 31st in Preventing Premature Death.

In other words: The U.S. paid the most, but got the least. And it’s true even now, three years after the ACA went into effect.

A CBS/NYT poll taken 4-7 December 2014 asked “Would you favor or oppose a single-payer health care system, in which all Americans would get their health insurance from one government plan that is financed by taxes?” 50% opposed it; only 43% favored it then.

But, a year later, on 1-7 December 2015, the Kaiser Family Foundation poll asked “Now, please tell me if you favor or oppose having a national health plan in which all Americans would get their insurance through an expanded, universal form of Medicare-for-all.” And 58% favored that; only 34% opposed it.

The wording of such polls is important, because many Americans, especially older ones, have been taught and deeply ingrained to think that the word “socialist” means “communist,” and even some who know that many countries in Europe are democratic socialist nations and aren’t at all communist, retain that trained negative mental association, which was promulgated by the U.S. aristocracy during the Cold War but was never true: democratic socialists were just as opposed to communism as were democratic capitalists. The distinction isn’t between communism versus capitalism but between democracy versus dictatorship (rule by an aristocracy). It was always American propaganda. The Kaiser poll avoided that propaganda-indoctrination, by using the phrase “Medicare-for-all.”

In fact, the same CBS/NYT poll taken 4-7 December 2014 had also asked “Would you favor or oppose the government offering everyone a government-administered health insurance plan — something like the Medicare coverage that people 65 and older get — that would compete with private health insurance plans?” And, 59% said yes, only 34% said no. Moreover, this question had a history in that poll: the question had actually been asked nine times in 2009 (while Obamacare was being drafted), and the percentages favoring that option ranged between 60% at the low end to 72% at the high end, who wanted it; so, the only reason why President Obama assigned his Obamacare to be drawn up by Max Baucus (instead of to Ted Kennedy who wanted to draft it in his committee and who strongly favored the public option, which Baucus strongly opposed) is that Obama had been lying throughout his 2008 campaign, when he said he would include a public option in his plan. Hillary Clinton now is likewise promising to include a public option, so as to gain votes.

It’s not because the U.S. is a democracy that the U.S. is the only developed country that lacks healthcare as a right, not merely as a privilege for those who are healthy or otherwise can pay for the healthcare they need in order to be productive citizens. It’s instead because the U.S. isn’t a democracy, that only the U.S. builds its healthcare system upon the private-profit and private-charity model. Like the study that’s linked-to there shows (based upon a detailed analysis of 1,779 public-policy issues since 1980), “Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.” The study found that the only influence the public has is when parts of what a public majority want, get taken up by this or that wing of the oligarchy, which then hires lobbyists and politicians, to get it passed into law, because they’ve figured out some way they can personally profit from it. At least on healthcare, it’s extremely inefficient, from the standpoint of providing maximum benefit to the public at a minimum cost to the public.

This is not opinion, it is fact; it is news-reporting not news-commentary: Basically, the privatized system rips off the public for the benefit of the elite, at least on healthcare, if not perhaps also on education and other products and services that are essential in order to be able to have a maximally productive economy.

On 9 February 2016, CNN headlined, “Why Americans Don’t Live as Long as Europeans”, and reported, “‘it seems staggering that we get two fewer years of life just for living here,” said Andrew Fenelon, a senior service fellow at the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics and senior author of the study, which was published on Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association.”

Because the U.S. is falling behind in those types of products and services, the U.S. is declining. “Nationwide, the median income of U.S. households in 2014 stood at 8% less than in 1999, a reminder that the economy has yet to fully recover from the effects of the Great Recession of 2007-09. The decline was pervasive, with median incomes falling in 190 of 229 metropolitan areas examined.” That’s from a study released by the Pew Research Center, on 11 May 2016, which was titled, “America’s Shrinking Middle Class: A Close Look at Changes Within Metropolitan Areas.” The sub-title was “The middle class lost ground in nearly nine-in-ten U.S. metropolitan areas examined.” 

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Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of  They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of  CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity.

  • okydokyartichoky

    lazy people want something for nothing the rest of us work and want to work. there was NO one i knew in 50 yrs of working that wasnt happy w health insurance, if they were? They found another job.Now maybe the Employer doesnt want to pay, but Obamacare came overnight and is a MESS.Its all part of the kill people off you know AGENDA 21, blah blah. there is no going back to normalcy as we knew it on anything. Jesus is coming back Satan is to busy w us all.

    • cettel

      Other countries have socialized healthcare and better healthcare that’s also far lower-cost healthcare, than the U.S. does, and “okydokyartichoky” wants to continue that failed system. Wow!

      • okydokyartichoky

        damned straight i do! The only ones who benefit from Obamacare are the ilegals and immigrants who get it for free. Ive never gotten or expected free anything in my life nor do i now.

        • cettel

          The article here condemns Obamacare, but you seem to have been too dim to recognize that.

    • Mr. Blair M. Phillips

      “lazy people?” Canadians are not lazy. Germans are not lazy.
      Mr. Phillips
      Canada

  • Paul Robinson

    Health insurance strictly speaking is not insurance. It is a prepaid plan. Real health insurance would only cover emergencies such as long hospital stays. Do people pay money to car insurance and get free regular oil changes and tune ups. A yearly paint job and interior detailing. Does homeowners insurance cover repairs to the home that are use or age related? Does it provide money for renovations? Health plans were originally a way for an employer to give employees some additional compensation instead of a pay raise. Not a bad idea a nice perk. Regular doctors visits and checkups should not be everyone’s right at the expense of the taxpayer.

    • cettel

      That’s false. All insurance policies are poolings of risk, such that one person’s bad luck gets spread to the whole pool, and another person’s good luck gets spread to the whole pool, but a bit of price (cost) is added onto the entire pool so as to enable the managers of the pool to be paid, and the investors who created etc. the pool to receive stock-dividends (if it’s a for-profit pool instead of a mutual one). (That’s why mutual insurance is generally better value than for-profit companies.)

      • not4treason

        Ok, I’ll go along with that definition but with the provisio that an insurance policy is a purely voluntary action and the party obtaining insurance picks and crafts the plan the way they feel best suits them and their lifestyle.
        National insurance is not really an insurance policy it becomes an entitlement and while some want to hang on to like to the last gasp, others, as quality of life becomes non-existent chose not to have intensive ICU last gasp intubation.
        Lot of difference in costs there alone.

  • IMHO

    Of course they do, Health Insurance IS socialism! Not only is it socialism but it is a Ponzi setup as well since it must have new enrollees in order to stay afloat. That is what the Obamacare mandate was all about.

  • Tuaca1107

    This was the goal all along and stupid sheep, and this article are falling for it!! I do not want socialized healthcare.

  • truth teller

    I suggest the 58% of the public who was polled to be forced to use VA healthcare system for 1 year then re-poll them to see if poll maintains a 58% approval.

  • not4treason

    A lot of Americans and I am sure in other countries to a lesser extent, want to retire [early] on disability pension. I personally know of a few and their scams to defraud various pension plans. They can run and jump and get drunk with the best of their non-physically impaired cohorts. Then there are the malpractice lawsuits.
    The number one person in charge of your health is YOU.
    Don’t bitch if you can operate your various remotes but have no time to learn about nutrition and exercise and how ‘your’ body in particular operates. Your first line of defense, barring just plain bad luck is to be aware – and remember the operating word is defense.

  • Eye of Horus

    I grew up in the 1950s. I recall the adults talking about the fact that it was becoming more expensive to go to the doctor and to hospitals. They would invariably say that sooner or later this country would have to go to socialized medicine. The interesting thing is that no one thought that was a bad thing. BTW if you have a chance find and watch the movie “Bulworth” with Warren Beatty and Halle Berry. It’s all about the health care industry. Quite interesting film.

  • JosephConrad

    The money to FINANCE ‘SINGLE-PAYER HEALTHCARE’ is in the INTEREST STUPID CITIZENS PAY TO THE FED ON THE NATIONAL DEBT. MAKE THE GOVT. STOP PAYING IT.

    TO HELL WITH THE WALL STREET/ROTHSCHILD MAFIA. END THE INTEREST !

  • JosephConrad

    Americans are too IGNORANT to see funds to pay for a SINGLE-PAYER SYSTEM EXIST NOW!
    They’re HIDING in the INTEREST the U.S. pays on the NATIONAL DEBT to the FED

    REMEMBER, the FED = 12 PRIVATE ROTHSCHILD BANKS PROFITING FROM INTEREST !
    SO WHY SHOULD WE PAY ‘INTEREST’ on funds borrowed to FUND AMERICA !?